Paratroopers

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    • Jewbear wrote:

      This is more the post to convince Wise [Odin] to support the Paratroopers.
      There have been a lot of red herrings thrown out there by various players, forum participants and even moderators in a long-term effort to throw cold water on the repeated requests that a new airborne infantry unit be added to the game. (Requests for the addition of paratroops started almost immediately after the forum was opened, and a new airborne unit arguably remains the single most requested change.) Most of these red herrings are superficial rhetoric about the addition of paratroops destroying / unbalancing / wrecking the game, without a lot of critical analysis. Last week, I took the time to lay out some of the possible unit spec details of a new airborne infantry unit, and how those details could address most if not all of the concerns raised by the naysayers.

      Perhaps WiseOdin is digesting the details of recent discussions, and we can look forward to his wise participation in them when he has more time. I hope that's the case.
    • Unbalancing has been a concern, but, since a few staff members have been sorting this out and talking it over, i think this could genuinely work. We just gotta get enough support by it from the staff, so as many posts as possible about it without spamming is the entire idea. I just want real conversations between staff. And even more with the game devs and the higher ups to be able to make this happen.
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    • I already made a statement in the other thread. There are certain problems but also solutions to make it a reality, still it is no simple task. The idea was already discussed here at Bytro, and going forward it will be constantly reevaluated just like other features as well. When the time is right it then may be tackled. Still you should not count on it in the very near future.

      You can of course keep discussing this topic and get more support, but I think we should not spread all discussions to multiple threads so that people don't have to repeat themselves.
    • freezy wrote:

      I already made a statement in the other thread. There are certain problems but also solutions to make it a reality, still it is no simple task. The idea was already discussed here at Bytro, and going forward it will be constantly reevaluated just like other features as well. When the time is right it then may be tackled. Still you should not count on it in the very near future.

      You can of course keep discussing this topic and get more support, but I think we should not spread all discussions to multiple threads so that people don't have to repeat themselves.
      What the issue with paratroopers so far mate?
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    • Jewbear wrote:

      What the issue with paratroopers so far mate?
      @freezy, apart from the coding/programming (which is beyond my ken), I would be curious to hear what conceptual issues the staff perceives as being problems. You might do well to, uh, "crowd-source" some of the solutions to those perceived issues, because some of us (moi aussi) have a pretty decent grasp of the historical realities of airborne troops (both parachute and glider infantry) and how a relatively historically accurate in-game version of airborne infantry might address the legitimate concerns of the developers.

      That said, I am happy that the decision-makers seem to be past the "that's impossible" phase of the discussion, and are willing to seriously consider the possibility of adding the unit type. I would rather see the developers take their time and do it right than introduce a flawed unit that no-one is going to like. I believe it would be worth the wait.
    • I was against this idea when i first heard of it, as I thought it would break the game. However, Since trying the chunky Conflict Of Nations(and quickly coming back) I think Airborne infantry is a great idea. Conflict of Nations did many things wrong in an attempt to make the game realistic over streamlined and competitive, Something I feared would happen to this game if units like Airborne where just thrown in.

      Airborne infantry played a Role in WWII. They started off as assault troops for difficult locations like Crete. They then became more elite land troops and saw action of both fronts. In Tunisia, these elite infantry were flown in by plane to secure the wavering Vichy France. As the war turned on Germany, Offensive units like paratroopers became less important, but were still used as commandos, like in the famous raid to free Mussolini. The allies learned from Crete, and in D-day they used paratroopers to distract the enemy. From this great success, the tried airborne on a much larger scale, as a more independent force. This operation "market garden" greatly failed.

      From this information I think the best way to have Airborne in call of war is with transport airplanes. These planes would act like carriers. This plane would come from the secret tree, and be available after bombers lvl one was finished. The planes would be slow for balance, and have very weak air defense and no attack, as well as expensive for their niche role I think this will encourage fighter planes as both escort and defense from this threat, something I find under used. The range of these planes would be like low level bombers. A new infantry unit, paratroopers would have the ability to do an air assault. These units would have less health points than basic infantry, but an attack and defense value to make up for this. This would be to show their elite yet vulnerable status. These units would have abysmal attack and defense vs armor, just like in real life.

      The use of these planes would also have low hit points. Compatible basic infantry could be transported from airbase to airbase, just like in Tunisia, however could not be airdropped. When Airborne do airdrop, they should be used to take over unoccupied territory behind the front to slow down enemy reinforcements, this would represent their use on d-day. Do to their low Hp they should avoid combat by themselves. When not air assaulting, they should be paired with normal armies as elite troops, and have the speed of normal infantry. They would have a bonus in mountains.

      Over all these new niche units would not be common sight, as their bonuses are outweighed by their niche-ness.