Would Hitler suck at Call of War?

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    • This was at a point when Germany was very irritated about the way the American navy handled the the U-boat blockade of Britain. They were escorting the convoys heading for Britain further and further into the Atlantic, making the time that U-boats could actually attack shipping shorter and shorter, with British navy free to handle only the last few hundred miles.

      The declaration after Pearl Harbor was a solidarity thing (even though Japan didn't show much interest in German interests, for example by staying out of the German-USSR conflict which allowed Siberian troops to be relocated to Europe), it was also a short-term thought. When you look at stats of merchant shipping sunk by U-boats, there's a huge spike in the first half of 1942. This was because the U-boats could also sink American shipping now, including areas like the Carribean. US Navy also was unprepared and had trouble implementing the convoy system, German leadership had foreseen this, but had overestimated the effect: they thought they could cripple the American economy in this way, failing to realize that America is a solid continent with most of the economical and transport systems landlocked. Finally, they had contempt for the American army size (which was virtually nil in early 1942), and simply didn't believe (indeed couldn't even comprehend the possibility) that the Americans might field an army of millions in just a few years.
      Everybody has a right to be stupid, but some people abuse the privilege. - Josef Stalin.
    • oh and about the initial question: first question we should answer is "would he be interested in a computer game?" Surprisingly, I think he might be... he liked maps, and abstractions/simplifications of complicated military matters. He was also a bum with loads of time at his hands in the 1900-1914 era, so he could have been very active and succesfull.

      Once he became active in the Nazi party in the early 1920's, he would have been lost for the game though.

      Some tongue-in-cheek attributes of his play style:
      - Early attacks on everything bordering him, that looks even slightly stupid or inactive, and taking it in no time;
      - Able to switch fronts at an amazing speed;
      - Considering about ten conquered provinces also "core" and bickering to staff that the "occupied" penalties shouldn't apply there;

      - Not bothering to rebuild all other conquered territories, only constructing buildings in core provinces (though producing units in occupied lands when possible);
      - Never retreating units, even if the advancing enemy is ten times stronger;
      - A disgust for merging units. After all, two 20% tanks are still two units; one 40% is only one;
      - Attempting to build forts when enemy units are just an hour away;
      - Declaring a particular useful unit "Jewish" and refusing to use it (for example AT).
      Everybody has a right to be stupid, but some people abuse the privilege. - Josef Stalin.
    • K.Rokossovski wrote:

      This was at a point when Germany was very irritated about the way the American navy handled the the U-boat blockade of Britain. They were escorting the convoys heading for Britain further and further into the Atlantic, making the time that U-boats could actually attack shipping shorter and shorter, with British navy free to handle only the last few hundred miles.

      The declaration after Pearl Harbor was a solidarity thing (even though Japan didn't show much interest in German interests, for example by staying out of the German-USSR conflict which allowed Siberian troops to be relocated to Europe), it was also a short-term thought. When you look at stats of merchant shipping sunk by U-boats, there's a huge spike in the first half of 1942. This was because the U-boats could also sink American shipping now, including areas like the Carribean. US Navy also was unprepared and had trouble implementing the convoy system, German leadership had foreseen this, but had overestimated the effect: they thought they could cripple the American economy in this way, failing to realize that America is a solid continent with most of the economical and transport systems landlocked. Finally, they had contempt for the American army size (which was virtually nil in early 1942), and simply didn't believe (indeed couldn't even comprehend the possibility) that the Americans might field an army of millions in just a few years.
      This summarizes German strategy in early 1942. The "happy time" when the U-boats ran amok in the North Atlantic. By '43 things got worse for the Kriegsmarine. The 'U-boat menace' receded, and US industrial power crushed Germany. Something Stalin feared in 1942 was a renewed attack on Moscow. I don't think it's a well-known alternative, but what if Hitler attacked Moscow instead of the Caucasus? Taking Moscow would have changed things (like make the war more difficult)

      K.Rokossovski wrote:

      oh and about the initial question: first question we should answer is "would he be interested in a computer game?" Surprisingly, I think he might be... he liked maps, and abstractions/simplifications of complicated military matters. He was also a bum with loads of time at his hands in the 1900-1914 era, so he could have been very active and succesfull.

      Once he became active in the Nazi party in the early 1920's, he would have been lost for the game though.

      Some tongue-in-cheek attributes of his play style:
      - Early attacks on everything bordering him, that looks even slightly stupid or inactive, and taking it in no time;
      - Able to switch fronts at an amazing speed;
      - Considering about ten conquered provinces also "core" and bickering to staff that the "occupied" penalties shouldn't apply there;

      - Not bothering to rebuild all other conquered territories, only constructing buildings in core provinces (though producing units in occupied lands when possible);
      - Never retreating units, even if the advancing enemy is ten times stronger;
      - A disgust for merging units. After all, two 20% tanks are still two units; one 40% is only one;
      - Attempting to build forts when enemy units are just an hour away;
      - Declaring a particular useful unit "Jewish" and refusing to use it (for example AT).
      Hitler would probably have been very good at Call of War, he wouldn't suck, because he would be monomaniacal and fairly intelligent (I never believed his IQ to be higher than 125-130). He would WANT to win. All the above tactics are interesting, did A.H. ever declare units "Jewish"? I might add (since he was so unpleasant) that he'd constantly try to influence the admins to make rulings in his favor. I would be most surprised if he were well behaved, unless he could get something out of it.
      :S
    • F. Marion wrote:

      Declaring war on the US was utter folly for Hitler/Germany. In less than 6 months he had declared war on the USSR and the USA. I can think of no faster path to defeat than that.
      Even before significant numbers of American soldiers engaged the Wehrmacht on the European continent, the United States began sending massive amounts of war materiel to the Soviet Union -- notably including, but not limited to aircraft, trucks, locomotives -- that helped keep the Red Army in fight during the darkest time on the Eastern Front. Even Stalin acknowledged that American Lend-Lease aid to the Soviets was critical.
    • MontanaBB wrote:

      F. Marion wrote:

      Declaring war on the US was utter folly for Hitler/Germany. In less than 6 months he had declared war on the USSR and the USA. I can think of no faster path to defeat than that.
      Even before significant numbers of American soldiers engaged the Wehrmacht on the European continent, the United States began sending massive amounts of war materiel to the Soviet Union -- notably including, but not limited to aircraft, trucks, locomotives -- that helped keep the Red Army in fight during the darkest time on the Eastern Front. Even Stalin acknowledged that American Lend-Lease aid to the Soviets was critical.
      It was the same on the Western Front (North Africa). American armaments also poured towards the British 8th Army, including the Grant tanks. The smaller M3 tanks were ineffective against the Germans. By spring 1942, the Africa Korps was having difficulty with the lavish amounts of American weapons possessed by the British. The Battle of Gazala (June 1942) was won for the Germans through a ploy by Rommel. After taking Tobruk, Rommel recognized that Montgomery had him outnumbered and outgunned, and it was only a matter of time before Second Alamein, and the collapse of the Wehrmacht in Africa. During 1943, it was apparent to Hitler that the Americans gave the Allies a material superiority, but he counted on some "miracle" to save the Reich.
      :S
    • Juan Bertin wrote:

      Assuming Senor Hitler is the same person as Der Fuhrer, would Hitler be any good? What strategies would he have?

      He would write in repeatedly to the forum suggesting New Buildings of which he would push for the following

      1. Concentration Camp - 10% morale boost for the city in which it is built, plus ability to speed up concentration of all other buildings due to the additional available labour
      2. Gestapo Headquarters - equipped with torture chambers to give increased probability of success to all counter-espionage operations in the city
    • He would rush into multiple wars at once, catching them by hammer and anvil. He'd also choose the wrong allies. He would devote many resources to the wrong things early, such as rockets and nukes, instead of harsh conditions that he would face in Russia.
      He would have early victories, get over confident then try and take over ALL of Europe in one war. He would constantly argue with his generals (tutorial advisers) and end up losing the war.
      To build, you must first destroy.