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  • Pablo22510 wrote:

    Sandevot wrote:

    Stalin killed 30 million people? Pablo, you're serious? What the ****?
    Where did you get this information, you can publish a complete list?
    I read somewhere that the number was as high as 30 million. Maybe not true, but the still killed millions of people. Not a nice guy.
    If you do not know the exact figure why you're so confident about it write in the previous posts? I do not understand this.

    I will name the exact figure is confirmed by the documents of the archive - for all the time of Stalin's reign (1922-1953) was killed 748,000 people. Yes, it's a big number, but they were criminals convicted on various counts - espionage, murders, rapists, theft, and others. If you look at the total of the population (293 million), you will see it is a very small proportion - 0.00008% of those killed in the year. If you make a list of the most brutal dictators, Stalin did not fall into the TOP20.

    Let's see the other side - when Stalin came to power in 1922, the Soviet Union was in a terrible state, not so long ago ended the civil war destroyed the economy, the army was on the brink of disaster, the food was not enough. In 1922, the Soviet Union was the weakest countries of Eurasia. During this time, the Soviet Union under Stalin's leadership fought against: China, Japan, Finland, Germany, Italy, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, USA. In all wars (except Finland) we defended, and never lost. When Stalin left from power in 1953, the Soviet Union was the most powerful country in Eurasia, maybe even the whole world. The Soviet Union had the most modern weapons, the most powerful scientific complex (nuclear technology, space technology) and a strong economy. The standard of living has increased in many times. Stalin for his country has done a lot of good and a little bad.

  • Sandevot wrote:

    the documents of the archive
    The Russian archive, I presume, which is not likely to be unbiased on the topic.

    The number will never be confirmed, but I can assure you the number is higher than 750,000. Between German POWs, Poles, intellectuals, Jews, and others, the number must be around 5-20 million. A monster.
    The past is a foreign country.

  • Ellio_98 wrote:

    Stalin killed at least 20 million, he conducted many purges of undesirables and killed more thank Hitler. (Link)

    I'm surprised at your naivete. If the web sites of this level you find evidence of murder, it is very sad syndrome. This article is designed for young American idiots. I have my own website, tomorrow I'll write about what you kill 1 billion people - it will be a proof of your guilt? No.

    Let's examine what is written there.

    The author writes that he took the information from an article in the newspaper "Arguments and Facts" in 1989 the author Roy Medvedev. (when one journalist copying information from another journalist, and says that this evidence - this is ridiculous). I spent a lot of time to search for the article on the Internet. I found her.
    imwerden.info/belousenko/books…dev/medvedev_stalin_3.htm
    It tells the story of the victims of Stalin's lists names, but there is nothing like what is written in your article. If you want - check it out.

    Further author writes that he took information from Alexander Solzhenitsyn. I have read all his books. I am honored that I once shook hands with the man. I'm proud of it. He wrote a lot of bad about Stalin, but he wrote "art" literature (for which he won the Nobel Prize for literature), he never engaged in documentary investigation.


    Further author writes that he took the information from the book Dyadikina Joseph and his book "unnatural death in the USSR." I've never heard of this author. On the Internet there is no mention of this book. I'm willing to bet you that this book has never been. If you have a book you have to share it with the world community. But I think that in your article lied.


    It adds a Soviet politician Alexander Yakovlev and his words about the victims. The article does not specify where they took those words. No title of the book, there are no quotes, no source where they got this information. Nowhere on the Internet about this, too, is nothing. If you believe in it - I will not bother you, but I think that this is another lie.


    I continue the list, or you begin to think for themselves and analyze his own head? Your proof - shit. You should be ashamed to be so gullible

  • Pablo22510 wrote:

    Sandevot wrote:

    the documents of the archive
    The Russian archive, I presume, which is not likely to be unbiased on the topic.
    The number will never be confirmed, but I can assure you the number is higher than 750,000. Between German POWs, Poles, intellectuals, Jews, and others, the number must be around 5-20 million. A monster.
    All archives and sources will be biased on this topic. Pablo's source will be high, and sandevot's will be low.
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  • Im going to be honest here I just put a link to some website to please you, I only read the few lines because I was tied and CBA. Its knowledge among historians that Stalin killed millions, more than Hitler's death camps, with his purges. His purges which he did multiple times was to kill anyone who threatened him, such as , People in government or the military with too much power, people who did not agree with stalin and complained, people who were just deemed a threat by the secret police and just 'removed' with little reason and the Jews. But the exact number is under debate, it could be anywhere up to 60 million but most agree with around 20 million. I know this from reading Historical texts in REAL books, so no links for you. And heres a website which seems to be more trustworthy (link)

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  • Found this on Wikipedia,might be right might be wrong. Under Stalin's rule, the concept of "Socialism in One Country" became a central tenet of Soviet society, contrary to Leon Trotsky's view that socialism must be spread through continuous international revolutions. He replaced the New Economic Policy introduced by Lenin in the early 1920s with a highly centralised command economy, launching a period of industrialization and collectivization that resulted in the rapid transformation of the USSR from an agrarian society into an industrial power.[3] However, the economic changes coincided with the imprisonment of millions of people in Gulag labour camps.[4] The initial upheaval in agriculture disrupted food production and contributed to the catastrophic Soviet famine of 1932–33, known as the Holodomor in Ukraine. Between 1934 and 1939 he organized and led a massive purge (known as "Great Purge") of the party, government, armed forces and intelligentsia, in which millions of so-called "enemies of the working class" were imprisoned, exiled or executed, often without due process. Major figures in the Communist Party and government, and many Red Army high commanders, were killed after being convicted of treason in show trials.[5]
    British=best. Duh!


  • Ellio_98 wrote:

    Im going to be honest here I just put a link to some website to please you, I only read the few lines because I was tied and CBA. Its knowledge among historians that Stalin killed millions, more than Hitler's death camps, with his purges. His purges which he did multiple times was to kill anyone who threatened him, such as , People in government or the military with too much power, people who did not agree with stalin and complained, people who were just deemed a threat by the secret police and just 'removed' with little reason and the Jews. But the exact number is under debate, it could be anywhere up to 60 million but most agree with around 20 million. I know this from reading Historical texts in REAL books, so no links for you. And heres a website which seems to be more trustworthy (link)
    I can not understand - why try to impose on others their opinion, if you are not confident in your opinion? New link - new shit. Stop believing the American web sites if they are writing about foreign dictators - it's all a lie for something to justify Aggressive foreign policy. Stalin was killing his people, Putin kills Ukrainian people, Hussein had nuclear weapons, Assad did not win the election, bla bla bla. They fucked your brain

    Pablo22510 wrote:

    Thank you Ellio! Finally someone who agrees with me!

    Stalin killed all his opponents in his purges. In 1937, he killed most of his best generals, and later on killed many geneals of the Russian Air Force.
    Yes, he killed several generals. So what? Or do you want to say that in the Soviet Union 20 million generals? I'll give an exact figure - in 31 years killed 748 000 people. Do you want to contest this figure?

    comrade dave wrote:

    Found this on Wikipedia,might be right might be wrong.
    I used to believe Wikipedia. But the last few years it has discredited itself. The articles that describe conflict - Wikipedia writes only the information on the one hand, and block information from the other side. (as is happening in the conflict in Ukraine - Wikipedia block ip addresses of all inhabitants of Crimea). Or why do people in Germany can edit articles about Syria, and Syria's residents can not edit the articles about Germany? Do you think it's right?

  • comrade dave wrote:

    in which millions of so-called "enemies of the working class" were imprisoned, exiled or executed
    You do know that not all of the millions were executed? They were more likely to just be imprisoned or exiled. Maybe to Siberia too.

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  • Pablo22510 wrote:

    First of all the Western media is not bullshit. We have democracy
    Germany, Italy and Austria were democracies in WWII. So was Russia. In Germany and Italy, the leaders outsmarted democracy and made one party states, in which the only allowed party was theirs. Austria just signed off the control of their country without a vote. Russia was one party too but no different to your western ones.

    THIS is Western media: google.ie/search?q=wwii+dehuma…In83GiJCmyAIVQj4UCh2DzAA9

    Also worth noting, who has been the protagonist in CoD the last couple years? What about BF?

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