Unfair advantage when fighting naval units

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    • Unfair advantage when fighting naval units

      Artillery, medium/ heavy bombers, rail guns, and submarines should do more damage to naval ships.

      Game after game I loose hundreds of medium and heavy bombers, subs, and artillery units to naval floatilla's. There has also been times I have lost dozens of medium and heavy bombers try to sink one battleship or one destroyer.

      Think back to WW2 when the Royal Navy had supremacy over the oceans. There where countless times they were humiliated by air power dominating their modern navy and in most cases they would even stay away from the occupied European coasts because of the German artillery positions stationed along the Atlantic wall.

      There was the time they lost two great ships (HMS Prince of Whales and the HMS Repulse) to Japanese bombers on their way to Malaya showing first hand air is superior vs naval units.

      There was also the fiasco of re supplying Malta with operation Pedestal where countless bombers and submarines attacked and sank close to a dozen merchant and naval escort ships.

      Also who could forget Pearl Harbor, when medium bombers destroyed the United States Pacific fleet? Small aircraft taking advantage of an entire fleet at dock and doing more damage to the naval units over the air units.

      Air power was proven to be more affective vs naval units time and time again in WW2 especially in the Pacific theater of war. So why am I loosing my entire airforce to single ships? I research the bombers to their fullest but this seems to make no difference.

      I think this should be updated to reflect this fact that air units are more effective vs naval ships and naval ships are not so effective vs air units.


      Thank you for your time! :D
    • I think Battleships should get a debuff in air and land properties. Mainly because air defense should be a cruisers job and that 4.0 damage to land units is a bit annoying to people who have coastal cities. But instead of increasing naval bomber damage, increase it's health, or decrease naval units health overall.
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    • Pearl Harbor was done with Naval Bombers not Strategic or Tactical Bombers.

      Ground based artillery was not exactly an effective attack on ships that were moving around.

      I do not recall any of the naval ships being sunk in invasions at D-Day, etc. Artillery was firing at the landing craft.
    • To EZ Dottle:

      how many ships were sunk at Dunkirk due to smaller land based aircraft and artillery?

      What about the Tirpitz? Sunk by RAF lanchasters carrying tall boy bombs?

      What about the HMS royal oak sunk by a lone submarine?

      The Russian Battleship Petropavlovsk, struck by a Stuka and sunk? (Medium bomber)

      I can go on and on with historical instances that support my claim but the issue is clearly the naval units in this game have an inaccurate and obviously unfair advantage vs Artillery, medium/ heavy bombers, rail guns, and submarines.

      A little more accuracy towards perfecting a great game! :thumbup:
    • EZ Dolittle wrote:

      Pearl Harbor was done with Naval Bombers not Strategic or Tactical Bombers.
      Good point ... But from my personal experience naval bombers in CoW seem only effective vs. subs ... :(


      Peachez wrote:

      Artillery, medium/ heavy bombers, rail guns, and submarines should do more damage to naval ships.

      Game after game I loose hundreds of medium and heavy bombers, subs, and artillery units to naval floatilla's. There has also been times I have lost dozens of medium and heavy bombers try to sink one battleship or one destroyer.
      Agree with you bro! .. However, SP artillery can be effective from a fortified position vs a destroyer or cruiser ... If anything, they can hold their ground for a short period of time required for you to bring a bigger flotilla! ... :)
    • I mean, Destroyers, Submarines and Aircraft Carriers can't harm your land units

      But that aside, I don't think artillery should do extra damage to naval units.

      Also, the Japanese didn't harm any of the naval repair yards at Pearl Harbour, so the US Pacific Fleet would be up and running in no time after the attack
    • Just for comparison : Battle of Midway

      USA Losses-------------------- vs ---------------- Japan Losses
      1 fleet carrier sunk ------------------------------4 fleet carriers sunk
      1 destroyer sunk 1 heavy cruiser sunk, -------1 heavy cruiser damaged
      ~150 aircraft destroyed ------------------------ 248 aircraft destroyed
      307 killed ------------------------------------------3,057 killed

      It's pretty clear that the aircraft were the pawns of such engagements.

      USA losing 75 aircraft for each ship they lost while Japan losing about 65 aircraft per ship lost
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    • OneNutSquirrel wrote:

      USA losing 75 aircraft for each ship they lost while Japan losing about 65 aircraft per ship lost

      Though in WW2 control of the air was critical, airplanes had difficulties sinking ships. Thus most ships were very effective AA platforms and well armored, resulting in high ratios of aircraft lost per ship as pointed above. It seems that CoW reflects this fact ... :thumbup: