Who attacks whom? Destroyer vs. Sub

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    • Who attacks whom? Destroyer vs. Sub

      Question: Destroyers have different values for attacking or defending when fighting subs. How is that determined?... That is, which unit is attacking/defending which?... The sub or the destroyer? It seems they both are attacking each other? Wouldn't they both use their attack strengths?

      I had a Help-Chat mod say that, he believed that, since the destroyer can't see the sub until it is attacked, then the destroyer is defending and the sub is attacking.

      So, if a state of war exists, then a sub always uses its attack value and a destroyer (or other ship) always uses its defense value? What if the destroyer was stationary and the sub entered its place? Or vice-versa?

      Someone please comment and clarify. Thank you.
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      The post was edited 1 time, last by Marching in Place ().

    • If nothing fundamental has changed in the past year:

      Moving unit is always an attacker, standing unit is always a defender - if both are moving, both are both ..

      .. if you manually give a defender an attack order or if you try to move a defending unit, it also becomes an attacker; from then on, also both are both ..

      .. at sea the moving unit is the attacker and the standing is defender only for the first attack, after that both sides are automatically both >> attacker and defender ..

      .. no matter how many differend stacks are involved in a melee, each separate attack strike gets it's own defend strike.

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    • Let me try to say it back to you... At sea, each unit both attacks and defends... The 'first' attacks, the 'second' defends, then the 'second' attacks and the 'first' defends?...
      But words are things, and a small drop of ink,
      Falling like dew, upon a thought, produces
      That which makes thousands, perhaps millions, think.

      - Lord Byron
    • Marching in Place wrote:

      Let me try to say it back to you... At sea, each unit both attacks and defends... The 'first' attacks, the 'second' defends, then the 'second' attacks and the 'first' defends?...
      It depends who is moving if they are moving towards each other that is the case I guess... :) and if one of them is not moving and the other is the first to attack then the one who is not moving will be defending the whole time.
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    • Alright, so there is a situation where a sub(s) has an advantage over a destroyer(s)... That is, when the destroyer is stationary and the sub moves to its place. In that case, the sub would be the attacker for all the rounds and the destroyer the defender. From what I can understand from the combat/strength tables, the sub has a slight advantage in this specific situation.

      In all other situations, the destroyer has the advantage (assuming equal number of units and equal tech levels on each side).
      But words are things, and a small drop of ink,
      Falling like dew, upon a thought, produces
      That which makes thousands, perhaps millions, think.

      - Lord Byron
    • Ryan04px2025 wrote:

      Marching in Place wrote:

      Let me try to say it back to you... At sea, each unit both attacks and defends... The 'first' attacks, the 'second' defends, then the 'second' attacks and the 'first' defends?...
      It depends who is moving if they are moving towards each other that is the case I guess... :) and if one of them is not moving and the other is the first to attack then the one who is not moving will be defending the whole time.
      .......... No ..

      Restrisiko wrote:

      ..
      .. at sea the moving unit is the attacker and the standing is defender only for the first attack, after that both sides are automatically both >> attacker and defender ..

      ..
      Means: At sea only for the first attack applies that the moving is the attacker and the non-moving is the defender >> afterwards both opponents are automatically both attackers and defenders >> regardless of whether the defending unit receives an attack order or is moved or not.

      Browser games are an ingenious business idea to lure out money ..
      ..... >> more or less cleverly camouflaged as a real game <<
      .... .. so beware of caltrops, spring-guns and booby traps. :00008185:
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    • Ryan04px2025 wrote:

      For all cases?

      Restrisiko wrote:

      If nothing fundamental has changed in the past year:
      ...
      ...............................and as long as 42 is not wrong ...........

      Browser games are an ingenious business idea to lure out money ..
      ..... >> more or less cleverly camouflaged as a real game <<
      .... .. so beware of caltrops, spring-guns and booby traps. :00008185:
      Warning! Texts above this signature may contain traces of irony! :D

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