Fluctuating morale?

NoobNoobTrain · Jun 28th 2020, 9:32am

I have wondered quite a few times about this annoying problem: In a cluster of 30-40ish morale provinces, once in a while there will suddenly be a 25-28% province and the morale info even says 'falling'. Of course this is a trouble spot for rebellions, but it will also negatively impact the surrounding areas over time.

I don't really understand the math behind this that creates an 'island' of low morale when it's surrounded by friendly provinces with higher morale. As I understand the rules, its morale should go up???

(and before anyone says 'move your capitol': ofc this isn't it. If the distance was the problem, all those provinces would have low morale)

Nn gg · Jun 28th 2020, 10:39am

fortifications and infrastructure increases morale.
Maybe that area had so much fortifications. Somehow AI keep building fortifications.

RiverWolf74 · Jun 28th 2020, 11:23am

Nn gg wrote:

fortifications and infrastructure increases morale.
Maybe that area had so much fortifications. Somehow AI keep building fortifications.

Yeah in 1.0 fortifications will help and in 1.5 ifAstructure will help

Restrisiko · Jun 28th 2020, 3:05pm

NoobNoobTrain wrote:

I don't really understand the math behind this that creates an 'island' of low morale when it's surrounded by friendly provinces with higher morale. As I understand the rules, its morale should go up???

Each own neighboring province (these are the neighbors in the trend display) influences your own provinces at / with:
100 morale -> +2;
90-99 morale -> +1;
70-89 morale -> 0;
60-69 morale -> -1;
50-59 morale -> -2;
40-49 morale -> -3;
30-39 morale -> -4;
20-29 morale -> -5;
10-19 morale -> -6;
0-9 morale -> -7;

soitwasatleastwiththeoriginalcow1.0

NoobNoobTrain · Jun 28th 2020, 4:04pm

Restrisiko wrote:

NoobNoobTrain wrote:

I don't really understand the math behind this that creates an 'island' of low morale when it's surrounded by friendly provinces with higher morale. As I understand the rules, its morale should go up???

Each own neighboring province (these are the neighbors in the trend display) influences your own provinces at / with:100 morale -> +2;
90-99 morale -> +1;
70-89 morale -> 0;
60-69 morale -> -1;
50-59 morale -> -2;
40-49 morale -> -3;
30-39 morale -> -4;
20-29 morale -> -5;
10-19 morale -> -6;
0-9 morale -> -7;

soitwasatleastwiththeoriginalcow1.0

Thanx, I know this, but it doesn't explain the 'slum' problem.

If I have a cluster of 4-5 provinces and most of them are in the 40ies, they should all have the same penalties, right? Why does ONE of them end up in the 20ies and falling? If they are all neighbours, they should all have like 100-3-3 -3 -(distance).

And the point of all this is, that the 20ish province will in time pull down the morale in all its neighbours. After some days it will drag an entire region down. And then rebellion starts to kick in in provinces, that used to be OK. I mean, if you conquer a province and it quickly improves to 40ish, it shouldn't plummet to 20ish for no reason.

And what I'm getting at is, that it feels like something is wrong. I'm not arguing with the rules. They make sense. I just don't think it looks like the game always calculates it this way.

Btw. this is 1.5

VorlonFCW · Jun 28th 2020, 5:50pm

Spies can also lower morale, you may have identified the base of operations of your enemy intelligence network.

NoobNoobTrain · Jun 28th 2020, 10:07pm

Yes, that could be. But rear area, ressource empty provinces are not likely the worh of spies.

And if a spy lowered morale, it would not say 'falling' and keep falling, right?

NoobNoobTrain · Jun 28th 2020, 10:53pm

Maybe it would actually be more fair if the neighbour impact was an average. Not a gross impact.
It doesn't seem logic that a province with many neighbours should be more discontent than one with few.

And the problem is, as I already wrote, that one bad apple can start a chain of declining morale. I don't think it's fair that the game has a slippery slope mechanism at this point when the effect comes from the map design and not the players' actions.

Restrisiko · Jun 28th 2020, 11:15pm

NoobNoobTrain wrote:

If I have a cluster of 4-5 provinces and most of them are in the 40ies, they should all have the same penalties, right? Why does ONE of them end up in the 20ies and falling? If they are all neighbours, they should all have like 100-3-3 -3 -(distance).

..not always -- simple example:

NoobNoobTrain wrote:

And the problem is, as I already wrote, that one bad apple can start a chain of declining morale.

..but in return, the middle ~~apple~~ province can have a positive influence on more neighbors if it's morale is higher

eruth · Jun 29th 2020, 2:58am

Did you read all the reasons each of the provinces gives when you click on the i next to morale?

NoobNoobTrain · Jun 29th 2020, 9:27pm

Yes of course.

And as Restrisiko illustrated, the problem can be narrowed down to how the maps are designed: provinces with many neighbours risk becoming the cancer that will spread to your entire empire.

In 1.5 the only tool is infrastructure, which is pretty feeble and takes a long time to a high cost.

The only viable option is a garrison. I don't think that's an improvement to the game.

eruth · Jun 30th 2020, 5:16am

NoobNoobTrain wrote:

Yes of course.

And as Restrisiko illustrated, the problem can be narrowed down to how the maps are designed: provinces with many neighbours risk becoming the cancer that will spread to your entire empire.

In 1.5 the only tool is infrastructure, which is pretty feeble and takes a long time to a high cost.

The only viable option is a garrison. I don't think that's an improvement to the game.

Or capturing a capital before the end of the day. I try to plan every campaign to capture a capital just before day change.

NoobNoobTrain · Jun 30th 2020, 5:51am

Capital boost is just a temporary solution. The effect will wear off.

VorlonFCW · Jun 30th 2020, 11:03am

NoobNoobTrain wrote:

Capital boost is just a temporary solution. The effect will wear off.

Yes this is true, but for the early expansion phase there is always another capital you can reach tomorrow. If you gat one each day shortly before day change this will prevent rebellions that day. This buys you time to stabilize morale with buildings in the area.

Of course you are correct that it is like a game of musical chairs, and you don’t want to be left without a plan when the music stops.

NoobNoobTrain · Jun 30th 2020, 9:59pm

...and my problem is more in the mid to late game. Conquering capitals each day isn't always an option.

eruth · Jul 1st 2020, 11:23pm

NoobNoobTrain wrote:

...and my problem is more in the mid to late game. Conquering capitals each day isn't always an option.

Then plan your campaign so that you will capture most of your provinces on the day that you do capture a capital.
I realized that I should make something clear: this is me speaking from experience on the 22 and 25 maps, so I really can't speak to how things work out on larger maps.

VorlonFCW · Jul 2nd 2020, 11:31am

I plan ahead and rigorously defend the minor AI’s next to me at the beginning of the game and this way I save their capitals for later.

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