CoW 1.5 Tip on Naval Stacks

BMfox · Feb 21st 2021, 7:33am

Danieliyoverde123 wrote:

Nonono, i think you didn't understand the Damage outpout distribution, it's not 10 units fight at the same Time.
it's: taking the best 10 Values against the diferent armor clases.

You just replied what I said. The 10 best units to fight the enemy forces are autoselected. But for navy there is no armour class, they are all navy. Your battleships have the highest damage output so those will be selected. Those cruisers will never fire a shot so the stack should be split up.

Danieliyoverde123 wrote:

Also it's like you forgot about the Damage distribution and how the hp influence the attack of the Unit.

It's like you forgot that if you split them up you will double the attack of the unit

If you deal the double amount of damage to your enemy than you will take the half less damage yourself. That's way more efficient. If you have those 10 cruisers only to get more HP then that's very expensive in terms of time and resources.

Danieliyoverde123 · Feb 21st 2021, 11:23am

Well i dont know what kind of enemy you fight but if you base heavily on battleship is Easy to counter your strategy, good players usally diverse their army composition, when i go for coastal raiding against good players it's literally imposible not find a Lot of naval bombers.

Also even if you have just 1 destroyer to detect submarines, battleship lack attack against them, 10 submarines on 1 group can easily destroy this navy composition.

Yeah you lost some damage output with 10 10 10, but it's a solid group hard to counter.

BMfox · Feb 21st 2021, 10:23pm

Danieliyoverde123 wrote:

Yeah you lost some damage output with 10 10 10, but it's a solid group hard to counter.

Than imagine your stack split up but almost in the same location and dealing the double damage output. However it's rare to see a player with this many naval units. Or it must be a world at war map past day 20.

Tribunate · Feb 21st 2021, 10:28pm

BMfox wrote:

Danieliyoverde123 wrote:

Yeah you lost some damage output with 10 10 10, but it's a solid group hard to counter.

Than imagine your stack split up but almost in the same location and dealing the double damage output. However it's rare to see a player with this many naval units. Or it must be a world at war map past day 20.

@BMfox

Gotta see you on more Pacific Campaign maps then! Fleets easily the size of 50+ around 14-16 days. It gets intense!

Exhibit A was one of the major battles and this was only 15-20% of the fleets in the area.

RBoi200 · Feb 21st 2021, 11:33pm

Tribunate wrote:

BMfox wrote:

Danieliyoverde123 wrote:

Yeah you lost some damage output with 10 10 10, but it's a solid group hard to counter.

Than imagine your stack split up but almost in the same location and dealing the double damage output. However it's rare to see a player with this many naval units. Or it must be a world at war map past day 20.

@BMfox
Gotta see you on more Pacific Campaign maps then! Fleets easily the size of 50+ around 14-16 days. It gets intense!

Exhibit A was one of the major battles and this was only 15-20% of the fleets in the area.

Oh, dear! I've played on the Pacific map before... but that's 100 units x 5 = 500 ships in the area?

Tribunate · Feb 22nd 2021, 12:00am

I'd have to do a hard count but that's probably right. My fleet was north of my allies pictured here it was around 70ships.

He still had another 25 behind this to supplement.

7 other nations were in this war as well not being pictured with fleets of their own.

whowh · Feb 22nd 2021, 12:09am

Tribunate wrote:

I'd have to do a hard count but that's probably right. My fleet was north of my allies pictured here it was around 70ships.

He still had another 25 behind this to supplement.

7 other nations were in this war as well not being pictured with fleets of their own.

How do you even get fleets that big? That just seems impractical. Surely being an asian based land power would do well in this game mode?

Tribunate · Feb 22nd 2021, 12:18am

Went back to see the archived game and was going to screenshot it all but got lazy haha.

Those two fleets were probably about 30% of the total Navy force in the area though. At the time definitely a lot less. But after this shot was taken there were a lot of ships lost in the great war.

whowh wrote:

How do you even get fleets that big? That just seems impractical. Surely being an asian based land power would do well in this game mode?

Have you played the Pacific campaign? If you don't have a solid navy you might as well resign. It should be a good 1/3 (maybe more!) of your army composition.

Heinrici · Feb 22nd 2021, 5:32am

Here is what you need to know about Naval forces.... don't build too many...

BMfox · Feb 22nd 2021, 10:07am

Lol, 50 ships in one stack. Bye bye SDBE! 50 ships at day 14, that means they have little to no land units.

whowh · Feb 22nd 2021, 1:59pm

Tribunate wrote:

Have you played the Pacific campaign? If you don't have a solid navy you might as well resign. It should be a good 1/3 (maybe more!) of your army composition.

No actually I have never and the one time I did I was a noob and stuck in siberia. But still, explain to me why you can't do what I suggested?

whitepanther · Mar 12th 2021, 2:18pm

BMfox wrote:

It's like you forgot that if you split them up you will double the attack of the unit If you deal the double amount of damage to your enemy than you will take the half less damage yourself. That's way more efficient. If you have those 10 cruisers only to get more HP then that's very expensive in terms of time and resources.

Couldn't you just split your stack in 10s once you start attacking another fleet/army for SBDE, then you rejoin it back before the subs or the naval bombers start targeting you?
I tried one time with 8 stacks of 10 of battleships and cruisers and annihilated a fleet of 45 in no time

Tribunate · Mar 12th 2021, 4:51pm

whowh wrote:

Tribunate wrote:

Have you played the Pacific campaign? If you don't have a solid navy you might as well resign. It should be a good 1/3 (maybe more!) of your army composition.

No actually I have never and the one time I did I was a noob and stuck in siberia. But still, explain to me why you can't do what I suggested?

In order to win that map you have to own your continent, a few islands and the other continent as well.

There is Asia, Oceania, and North America. You have to cross water to win the game. If you only tried to make a strong land based army it would be eaten alive by even an average player with moderate size navy.

vietcong2005 · Mar 19th 2021, 3:21am

I usually like to split naval units into many different stacks

CoW 1.5 Tip on Naval Stacks

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