HWW Revamp

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      Revamp of HWW



      I was looking at Historic, and I think there should be another refix. Many things are not right, and I think there is potential for expansion. I will go on nation by nation.



      United Kingdom-



      1. Newfoundland (St. John) to become occupied province

      2. New Urban(s)= Glasgow

      3. Navy Research to be slightly reduced (The British navy was large but not that modern. I don’t understand why British battleships in the game are more researched than German battleships, for god’s sake the Bismarck sunk Britian’s most famous ship with a single shell. So I think either britian’s research should be reduced or Other nation’s increased)



      France-

      • Name Change- France –> French Third Republic
      • Removal of starting Tank Destroyer (The French im pretty sure didn’t have any significant number of TDs in service in 1939. In fact im pretty sure TDs were invented/mass produced in 1940)
      Italy-

      • Name Change- Italy-> Kingdom of Italy or Italian Empire
      • Removal of Tank Destroyer
      • Enlargening of Naval Forces. The Italian Navy was quite large, but outdated. So research could be reduced and numbers increased. Specially low level subs
      • New Urban(s)- Palermo. Italy has no core cities below Naples, and this is annoying as well as untrue. Palermo was a proper city, and it would be nice to have it in Historic.
      German Empire-

      • Removal of rocket AND its research. Germany had NO rockets in 1939, and had barely researched them. It is not historically accurate for it to start with one AND with research.
      • Adding 1 more paratrooper AND its research. Germans pretty much invented paratrooping, so I think they deserve to have it researched. Also Paratroopers were used in invasion of Poland so I think another paratrooper would be accurate.
      • Increasing research on Navy. I don’t understand why Japan and UK, even France and Italy I think, have equal or superior naval research to Germany. The German Navy was by far the most modern navy. It was small, but it could easily destroy the French and Italian navies combined. So I think its research should be increased dramatically.
      • A few more light tanks.
      • New Urban(s)- Dresden
      Poland-

      • Removal of tank destroyers, replaced by, light tanks, maybe? each.



      Sweden-

      • Doctrine change- Allies-> Axis, in 1939 Sweden supplied Germany with iron ore in return for military equipment, money etc, therefore Sweden should be Axis
      Soviet Union-

      • New Urban(s)- Smolensk and Chita, Smolensk was practically one of Russia's most major cities, maybe third most major after Leningrad and Moscow
      • Line of weak fortification along Euro Border. The Stalin Line was still up in 1939, NOT fully dismantled
      • More infantry
      • Azerbaijan, Georgia and Armenia, all Persia in HWW for some reason, to become Soviet cores since all three were Soviet Socialist Republics.
      • Removal of Paratrooper unit at beginning


      USA-
      . Removal of Paratrooper starting unit
      . Honolulu to have a naval base, you know Pearl Harbour EXISTED right?


      Persia-

      • New Urban- Mashhad.
      • 1 more infantry unit and 1 AC
      Japan-

      • Name change- Japan -> Empire of Japan or Japanese Empire
      • Slightly more industrialised.
      • Removal of research for rockets. I... just dont know what to say... do you really think Japan was even THINKING of rockets in 1939???????
      • Larger navy. LARGER NAVY Japanese Imperial Navy was BEEG, like BEEG
      • More planes, i.e. Naval Bombers and fighters
      • More infantry forces.
      • NO research done on Light Tanks
      • In ownerships of Manchuria. OK I know I have to argue my case. The thing is, I don’t get it. IN HWW Phillipines is American territory, even though it was only technically under military protection. The Japanese had a MUCH, MUCH firmer grip on Manchuria than the Americans did on the Phillipines, so there are two options, either Japan gets Manchuria or America loses Phillipines. To give Manchuria would remove a playable nation, but it could be replaced by Finland or something.
      • Slightly larger chunk of China, i mean like 5 rurals
      • New Urban, Yokohama, it was a major city



      Australia-

      • Australia’s territory in New guniea to become occupied, I don’t get why its core.
      • Tasmania to become core.
      • New Urbans- Adelaide and Darwin
      If there be anything more do let me know.
      “I do not love the sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior. I love only that which they defend.”

      “If you win, you need not explain!”

      “What difference does it make if destruction is wrought under the name of dictators or in the name of democracy?”

      War is Peace
      Slavery is Freedom
      Weakness is Strength

      The post was edited 5 times, last by GrandEmpire ().

    • BrutusTrump wrote:

      Japan would be too overpowered in this mode. I personally think that Japan should get nerfed.
      ?? No it wouldnt. It would lose the research on light tanks, have one or two more infantry and maybe 1 or 2 more ships.. Industry i meant lvl 2 for Negasaki(its 1 rn). one more naval bomber, a few RURAL chinese provinces. that is NOT op and ACCURATE
      “I do not love the sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior. I love only that which they defend.”

      “If you win, you need not explain!”

      “What difference does it make if destruction is wrought under the name of dictators or in the name of democracy?”

      War is Peace
      Slavery is Freedom
      Weakness is Strength
    • godofthegame2 wrote:

      This sounds like a GREAT UPDATE!!! Germany’s navy is pretty small and this would also be actually historical!
      Exactly my focus was HISTORICAL because its called HISTORIC. current game setting focuses more on balance
      “I do not love the sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior. I love only that which they defend.”

      “If you win, you need not explain!”

      “What difference does it make if destruction is wrought under the name of dictators or in the name of democracy?”

      War is Peace
      Slavery is Freedom
      Weakness is Strength
    • GrandEmpire wrote:

      Revamp of HWW



      I was looking at Historic, and I think there should be another refix. Many things are not right, and I think there is potential for expansion. I will go on nation by nation.



      United Kingdom-

      1.name change- United Kingdom -> British Empire

      2. Newfoundland (St. John) to become occupied province

      3. New Urban(s)= Glasgow

      4. Navy Research to be slightly reduced (The British navy was large but not that modern. I don’t understand why British battleships in the game are more researched than German battleships, for god’s sake the Bismarck sunk Britian’s most famous ship with a single shell. So I think either britian’s research should be reduced or Other nation’s increased)



      France-

      • Name Change- France –> French Empire
      • Removal of starting Tank Destroyer (The French im pretty sure didn’t have any significant number of TDs in service in 1939. In fact im pretty sure TDs were invented/mass produced in 1940)
      Italy-

      • Name Change- Italy-> Kingdom of Italy or Italian Empire
      • Removal of Tank Destroyer
      • Enlargening of Naval Forces. The Italian Navy was quite large, but outdated. So research could be reduced and numbers increased.
      • New Urban(s)- Palermo. Italy has no core cities below Naples, and this is annoying as well as untrue. Palermo was a proper city, and it would be nice to have it in Historic.
      German Empire-

      • Name Change- German Empire-> German Reich or Third Reich
      • Removal of rocket AND its research. Germany had NO rockets in 1939, and had barely researched them. It is not historically accurate for it to start with one AND with research.
      • Adding 1 more paratrooper AND its research. Germans pretty much invented paratrooping, so I think they deserve to have it researched. Also Paratroopers were used in invasion of Poland so I think another paratrooper would be accurate.
      • Increasing research on Navy. I don’t understand why Japan and UK, even France and Italy I think, have equal or superior naval research to Germany. The German Navy was by far the most modern navy. It was small, but it could easily destroy the French and Italian navies combined. So I think its research should be increased dramatically.
      • A few more light tanks.
      • New Urban(s)- Dresden
      Poland-

      • Removal of tank destroyers, replaced by 2 militia each.



      Sweden-

      • Doctrine change- Allies-> Axis
      Soviet Union-

      • New Urban(s)- Smolensk and Chita
      • Line of weak fortification along Euro Border. The Stalin Line was still up in 1939.
      • More infantry
      • The 11% of Finland that was occupied following the Winter War to be granted to the USSR.
      • Azerbaijan, Georgia and Armenia, all Persia in HWW for some reason, to become Soviet cores since all three were Soviet Socialist Republics.
      • Removal of Paratrooper unit at beginning



      Persia-

      • New Urban- Mashhad.
      • 1 more infantry unit and 1 AC
      Japan-

      • Name change- Japan -> Empire of Japan.
      • Slightly more industrialised.
      • Larger navy. LARGER NAVY Japanese Imperial Navy was BEEG, like BEEG
      • More planes, i.e. Naval Bombers and fighters
      • More infantry forces.
      • No research done on Light Tanks.
      • In ownerships of Manchuria. OK I know I have to argue my case. The thing is, I don’t get it. IN HWW Phillipines is American territory, even though it was only technically under military protection. The Japanese had a MUCH, MUCH firmer grip on Manchuria than the Americans did on the Phillipines, so there are two options, either Japan gets Manchuria or America loses Phillipines. To give Manchuria would remove a playable nation, but it could be replaced by Finland or something.
      • Slightly larger chunk of China.
      • New Urban, Yokohama (Maybe it already is an urban, if so, my mistake.)



      Australia-

      • Australia’s territory in New guniea to become occupied, I don’t get why its core.
      • Tasmania to become core.
      • New Urbans- Hobart and Darwin
      If there be anything more do let me know.
      First thing, Germany name cant be changed because this is German game and they have strict rules against any German WW2 nazi prpaganda.

      Second thing before Franch was defited, it was not called Franch Empire, it was 3rd Franch Republic.

      Third think officially it was UK not British Empire.

      Fourth thing, this is not WW2 map ot is pre ww2 map and yes Philipines were in USA controle, they got them from Spain. There is even famouse quote in game loading screen from F. D. R. i belive.


      Alot of wrong things abouth this thread.
      Фарис Синановић, Суна
    • GrandEmpire wrote:

      Newfoundland (St. John) to become occupied province
      Disagreed.

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      New Urban(s)= Glasgow
      Agreed. You know glasgow used to produce 1/3 of the world's ships?

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      Bismarck sunk Britian’s most famous ship with a single shell.
      And then was put out of action by biplane. (see fairey swordfish)

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      Name Change- France –> French Empire
      French republic maybe but not french empire. French people DO NOT like being told that they were big imperialists.

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      Name Change- Italy-> Kingdom of Italy or Italian Empire
      Agreed

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      Enlargening of Naval Forces.
      Definitely on cheap lvl 1 subs.

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      New Urban(s)- Palermo.
      Agreed

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      Name Change- German Empire-> German Reich or Third Reich
      No, that violates the ToS and German Empire sounds better.

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      Adding 1 more paratrooper AND its research
      Agreed

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      Removal of tank destroyers, replaced by 2 militia each.
      Maybe not militia but definitely a replacement is needed

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      Line of weak fortification along Euro Border. The Stalin Line was still up in 1939.
      Agreed

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      Name change- Japan -> Empire of Japan.
      Perhaps

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      Naval Bombers and fighters
      Definitely

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      In ownerships of Manchuria
      Agreed and also agreed with the finland point.

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      New Urban, Yokohama (Maybe it already is an urban, if so, my mistake.)
      I believe it is already urban

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      Australia’s territory in New guniea to become occupied, I don’t get why its core.
      See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territory_of_Papua_and_New_Guinea

      Papua New Guinea had its own administrative government and some autonomy. Therefore it is core.
    • Suna232 wrote:

      Please don't quote long or entire posts!!
      Firstly, I dont get why that is. reich is a German word meaning Empire there is nothing wrong with that, and the word Empire is NOT propaganda.
      Secondly, France was called the 3rd Republic but French Empire sounds better
      Third, i dont get what u be saying, British Empire was the name, conquering was its game
      Fourth, i know that thats not my point im saying Manchukuo should be Japanese

      Lastly, i dont believe there are a "lot" of wrong things, maybe prespective?
      “I do not love the sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior. I love only that which they defend.”

      “If you win, you need not explain!”

      “What difference does it make if destruction is wrought under the name of dictators or in the name of democracy?”

      War is Peace
      Slavery is Freedom
      Weakness is Strength
    • whowh wrote:

      Please don't quote long or entire posts!
      You had two disagreements i belive. First you said St John should be core province. Why? Core British Provinces should only be the provinces of the United Kingdom.
      And also on Australia. I know Australia colonised western Papau New Guniea, but it was COLONISED not core Aussie territory.

      And on Germany, if that is in the ToS, then no offence but its stupid. Reich just means empire and there is nothing wrong with saying it or having it. Its like removing the word Reich from the dictionary or banning people from saying Hitler. That is what totalitarian governments do. I dont support Nazism or the German Reich, i just believe it was officially known as Third Reich or German Reich. Anyhow, thats minor so i dont care much
      “I do not love the sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior. I love only that which they defend.”

      “If you win, you need not explain!”

      “What difference does it make if destruction is wrought under the name of dictators or in the name of democracy?”

      War is Peace
      Slavery is Freedom
      Weakness is Strength
    • GrandEmpire wrote:

      1.name change- United Kingdom -> British Empire
      The name of the United Kingdom was the United Kingdom. It had an empire, the British Empire, but the COUNTRY was called the United Kingdom.

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      Name Change- France –> French Empire
      France was called the French Third Republic, not the French Empire. French Empire is the name of France under Napolean(and under Napoleon III).

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      Name Change- German Empire-> German Reich or Third Reich
      A lot of people are saying this is against ToS, and I assume they are talking about this:

      § 15 Place of Jurisdiction / Applicable Law / Written Form
      15.1 The laws of the Federal Republic of Germany apply to these ToS and any and all contracts concluded subject to these ToS, as well as any claims arising therefrom. The application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is excluded.

      Now which part of German law prohibits this? The German Strafgesetzbuch section 86a prohibits "use of symbols of unconstitutional organizations" outside the contexts of "art or science, research or teaching". All symbols connected with the Nazi Party do fall under this law but "Reich" is not a symbol. Furthermore, the Nazis were not the ones to ADOPT the name. The German Reich was the official name of both the German Empire and the Weimar Republic. In my opinion, I don't see anything wrong with changing the name to the German Reich, but I understand Bytro may want to err on the side of caution. In that case, Germany would be a much more fitting name than German Empire.


      GrandEmpire wrote:

      The 11% of Finland that was occupied following the Winter War to be granted to the USSR.
      The Winter War didn't start until AFTER WW2 started.
      "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic." - Joseph Stalin

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    • RBoi200 wrote:

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      1.name change- United Kingdom -> British Empire
      The name of the United Kingdom was the United Kingdom. It had an empire, the British Empire, but the COUNTRY was called the United Kingdom.

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      Name Change- France –> French Empire
      France was called the French Third Republic, not the French Empire. French Empire is the name of France under Napolean(and under Napoleon III).

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      Name Change- German Empire-> German Reich or Third Reich
      A lot of people are saying this is against ToS, and I assume they are talking about this:
      § 15 Place of Jurisdiction / Applicable Law / Written Form
      15.1 The laws of the Federal Republic of Germany apply to these ToS and any and all contracts concluded subject to these ToS, as well as any claims arising therefrom. The application of the United Nations Convention on Contracts for the International Sale of Goods is excluded.

      Now which part of German law prohibits this? The German Strafgesetzbuch section 86a prohibits "use of symbols of unconstitutional organizations" outside the contexts of "art or science, research or teaching". All symbols connected with the Nazi Party do fall under this law but "Reich" is not a symbol. Furthermore, the Nazis were not the ones to ADOPT the name. The German Reich was the official name of both the German Empire and the Weimar Republic. In my opinion, I don't see anything wrong with changing the name to the German Reich, but I understand Bytro may want to err on the side of caution. In that case, Germany would be a much more fitting name than German Empire.


      GrandEmpire wrote:

      The 11% of Finland that was occupied following the Winter War to be granted to the USSR.
      The Winter War didn't start until AFTER WW2 started.
      Winter war started 1939. yes it was couple of months after september but still, the map is Historic 1939 not 1939 september.
      “I do not love the sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior. I love only that which they defend.”

      “If you win, you need not explain!”

      “What difference does it make if destruction is wrought under the name of dictators or in the name of democracy?”

      War is Peace
      Slavery is Freedom
      Weakness is Strength
    • whowh wrote:

      GrandEmpire wrote:

      Please don't quote whole posts

      i know know but i am above the law i am literally the Emperor of France.
      “I do not love the sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior. I love only that which they defend.”

      “If you win, you need not explain!”

      “What difference does it make if destruction is wrought under the name of dictators or in the name of democracy?”

      War is Peace
      Slavery is Freedom
      Weakness is Strength
    • everyone i edited the thread based on replies be sure to change vote if demands have been met
      “I do not love the sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior. I love only that which they defend.”

      “If you win, you need not explain!”

      “What difference does it make if destruction is wrought under the name of dictators or in the name of democracy?”

      War is Peace
      Slavery is Freedom
      Weakness is Strength
    • There should be more tanks for the Soviet Union. Much more. Soviets had at least 11k tanks at the beginning of operation barberossa. While, Germans only had around 3k tanks. Meanwhile, the Italian navy wasn't outdated it was in fact advanced and modern. It was only bad because the lack of sufficient oil and resources. I agree that Japan needs a larger navy and more planes. It needs more medium levels naval bombers and level 2 or 3 carriers.
    • Wikipedia wrote:

      Entering the war, the Regia Marina was operating under a number of limitations. Though significant assets were available to challenge the Royal Navy for control of the Mediterranean, there had been a lack of emphasis on the incorporation of technological advances such as radar and sonar. This meant that in night engagements or foul weather, the Italian ships were unable to detect the approach of their British adversaries. When engaged, they could only range their guns if they were able to visually locate their targets.
    • GrandEmpire wrote:

      Revamp of HWW



      Sweden-

      • Removal of Paratrooper unit at beginning



      Japan-
      .
      • Removal of research for rockets. I... just dont know what to say... do you really think Japan was even THINKING of rockets in 1939??????????????????????????????????????


      Specialist & Engineers from Sweden would often develop and assist German military.

      As far as the question marks is concerned. This wiki link should do it...
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E…ation_before_World_War_II




      OTHERWISE....
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