My Personal Rankings of Each Country in HWW

Erezuma · Dec 21st 2022, 4:32am

I've decided to make a ranking for each country in HWW, taking into account everything
(starting army, vp, position, doctrine, resource production, neighbors, EVERYTHING)

From Very Good (5) to Very Poor (1)

5 = Very Good
4 = Good
3 = Fair
2 = Poor
1 = Very Poor

What do y'all think?

Gen. Smit · Dec 21st 2022, 8:30am

Maybe the ranking should say, easy --> difficult (as in challenging), instead of very good --> poor? But yeah I like the info, I will use it for my next month

Fox-Company · Dec 21st 2022, 3:02pm

Bruh wdym Manchukuo is OP as heck.

Undaunted · Dec 21st 2022, 3:49pm

Erezuma wrote:

I've decided to make a ranking for each country in HWW, taking into account everything
(starting army, vp, position, doctrine, resource production, neighbors, EVERYTHING)

From Very Good (5) to Very Poor (1)

5 = Very Good
4 = Good
3 = Fair
2 = Poor
1 = Very Poor

What do y'all think?

why yugoslavia's starting position rank 2
btw romania's starting position rank 5

Hurbala · Dec 21st 2022, 5:20pm

no Lyberia in the list

Undaunted · Dec 21st 2022, 6:18pm

Hurbala wrote:

no Lyberia in the list

ranks 0 0 0 0 0

Fox-Company · Dec 21st 2022, 6:24pm

Undaunted wrote:

Hurbala wrote:

no Lyberia in the list

ranks 0 0 0 0 0

Lyberia: 20 5 5 5 5 Actually

Genghis Khanson · Dec 21st 2022, 9:25pm

Interesting list, if that is how you look at it that's cool, starting power can be a bit subjective and related to many factors. I completely disagree with Netherlands, it should pretty much be last.

The cities it has are NOT core cities. Only starts with one. Which means your eco is at the biggest disadvantage ever. Not to mention the only way to stay alive is if Germany, France, UK roll over for you or go inactive.

Thanks for putting up your list.

Undaunted · Dec 21st 2022, 9:45pm

Genghis Khanson wrote:

Interesting list, if that is how you look at it that's cool, starting power can be a bit subjective and related to many factors. I completely disagree with Netherlands, it should pretty much be last.

The cities it has are NOT core cities. Only starts with one. Which means your eco is at the biggest disadvantage ever. Not to mention the only way to stay alive is if Germany, France, UK roll over for you or go inactive.

Thanks for putting up your list.

Netherlands starts to game with many resource like oil and it is not 15k , it can offer oil to germany to stay alive or japan

Genghis Khanson · Dec 21st 2022, 9:51pm

Undaunted wrote:

Netherlands starts to game with many resource like oil and it is not 15k , it can offer oil to germany to stay alive or japan

Which means they can be nothing other than a puppet state. Should be last in my opinion. It's lack of core cities puts it at the bottom of playable nations. Thanks for reply.

Undaunted · Dec 21st 2022, 10:32pm

Genghis Khanson wrote:

Undaunted wrote:

Netherlands starts to game with many resource like oil and it is not 15k , it can offer oil to germany to stay alive or japan

Which means they can be nothing other than a puppet state. Should be last in my opinion. It's lack of core cities puts it at the bottom of playable nations. Thanks for reply.

do you prefer poland ?

Genghis Khanson · Dec 21st 2022, 10:42pm

Undaunted wrote:

do you prefer poland ?

Positively. It is also a difficult start but it has 5 core cities, at least giving you some sort of fighting chance with making units and economy.

Erezuma · Dec 26th 2022, 5:41pm

Hurbala wrote:

no Lyberia in the list

Maybe I'll do one for the All In scenario (as well as the 22 player map) later on.

Gen. Smit · Dec 27th 2022, 12:38pm

The favorability of the resources also depends a bit on the strategy chosen, for example on the 22p map, Caucasus and turkey are very good for infantry/ordonance base play, while Russian empire is better for tank/raresbased play.

Erezuma · Dec 27th 2022, 8:25pm

Gen. Smit wrote:

The favorability of the resources also depends a bit on the strategy chosen, for example on the 22p map, Caucasus and turkey are very good for infantry/ordonance base play, while Russian empire is better for tank/raresbased play.

I am myself an Axis wünderkind, specializing in tanks and ranged units - however I’m not afraid to flex my food and throw some mot. Inf into the fray

DxC · Jan 12th 2023, 9:03pm

Erezuma wrote:

I've decided to make a ranking for each country in HWW, taking into account everything
(starting army, vp, position, doctrine, resource production, neighbors, EVERYTHING)

I assume by "starting economy" you mean the daily production values when you start? Do different countries have different levels of Industry built at the start or are they all pretty much the same? I would be more interested in the "production potential" of the country in core provinces, which would be:

number of core cities x 2 + number of core resource producing provinces

If industry levels are pretty much even at the start then starting production would reflect that "production potential". But if they vary a lot then it wouldn't. Even, better would be the production potential broken down by resource type.

Fox-Company · Jan 12th 2023, 9:27pm

DxC wrote:

Erezuma wrote:

I've decided to make a ranking for each country in HWW, taking into account everything
(starting army, vp, position, doctrine, resource production, neighbors, EVERYTHING)

I assume by "starting economy" you mean the daily production values when you start? Do different countries have different levels of Industry built at the start or are they all pretty much the same? I would be more interested in the "production potential" of the country in core provinces, which would be:
number of core cities x 2 + number of core resource producing provinces

If industry levels are pretty much even at the start then starting production would reflect that "production potential". But if they vary a lot then it wouldn't. Even, better would be the production potential broken down by resource type.

That's a lot of work, its not like snapping your fingers, stuff like that takes a lot of time, don't expect others to do what you wont, not to be rude but some people don't have enough time to do that.

DxC · Jan 12th 2023, 9:52pm

I wasn't asking him to do anything. I was asking what his numbers meant in relation to "production potential" as I defined it.

jubjub bird · Jan 12th 2023, 10:37pm

Also not all cities and provinces produce at the same rate, unlike in the balanced maps. You may have some cities that produce the full city amount (usually 5 per country), the remainder of your starting cities actually produce less than the full city amount (25% IIRC). Likewise for provinces, up to 5 full producing provinces and the remainder are 25% of a province.

The exception is Netherlands on the HWW map because so much of their production is non-core. I think their numbers were a little different, can't recall exactly off the top of my head.

DxC · Jan 12th 2023, 11:11pm

Thanks for the heads up! I didn't realize that. I'm playing Nat. China and as you say, 5 cities are at 100%. However, the rest of the cities are at 1/2. Then some local provs are at 1/4 and others are at 1/8. Unfortunately, the industry build costs are not scaled like in the balanced maps. You have to pay the same price for the full vs 1/2 cities and 1/4 vs 1/8 local provs.

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