suggestion: choosing your doctrine

DecendedDemon · Mar 5th 2023, 2:09pm

as the title says my suggestion is the abillity to choose your doctrine yourself, obviously excluding this option from the historic gamemodes because its you know, historic, if you have a playstyle you heavily prefer it would be nice that you can assign a doctrine to go along with you playstyle with whatever doctrine goes with it to whatever country you want (again excluding historical gamemodes for obvious reasons) because it can suck when your preferred tactic is lightning blitz attacks so your enemy doesnt have as much time to react and then you're forced to play allied doctrine or something which are you know, slower ruining the effectiveness of what you're trying to do or visa versa preferring overwhelming brute force requiring axis doctrine and then being forced to use weaker pan asian units

in short: i think with the exception of the historic gamemodes while choosing your country it would be interesting if you could choose what doctrine you want to go along with it

Fox-Company · Mar 5th 2023, 2:15pm

This would defeat the purpose of the game, everyone would choose Axis and the game would not really be fun anymore, because the game would become super un-balanced.

DecendedDemon · Mar 5th 2023, 2:49pm

Fox-Company wrote:

This would defeat the purpose of the game, everyone would choose Axis and the game would not really be fun anymore, because the game would become super un-balanced.

i actually dislike the axis doctrine the most tho, in a game where fighting on multiple fronts especially early on is already pretty much impossible as you just dont have enoguh troops to defend your entire border AND keep reserves to stop them from just base racing you, especially in a war on several fronts, so having my early game units being more expensive and taking longer to build doesnt do it for me

Fox-Company · Mar 5th 2023, 2:55pm

DecendedDemon wrote:

Fox-Company wrote:

This would defeat the purpose of the game, everyone would choose Axis and the game would not really be fun anymore, because the game would become super un-balanced.Axis is best

i actually dislike the axis doctrine the most tho, in a game where fighting on multiple fronts especially early on is already pretty much impossible as you just dont have enoguh troops to defend your entire border AND keep reserves to stop them from just base racing you, especially in a war on several fronts, so having my early game units being more expensive and taking longer to build doesnt do it for me

Axis is best mid/late game doctrine, More health and damage is a big deal, plus, Bytro will, and i say will,*NEVER* allow you to choose your doctrine, you can ask anyone, they will say the same thing, plus, the majority of people actually don't want this as a feature, cause, as i said, the whole game would become unbalanced.

jubjub bird · Mar 5th 2023, 3:04pm

Imo it's the opposite. Axis is the best early game doctrine, especially when neighboring non-Axis countries that they can run over easily.

In mid-late game, Allies (research levels) and Comintern (economics) can catch up. Pan Asian is great always.

Axis would probably be the most popular choice (and is probably the best choice for new players or less-active players).

I understand why they wouldn't vary doctrines on historic maps, but it'd be an interesting addition to something like the America map, where 95% of playable states are Allies. It could use some variety.

Fox-Company · Mar 5th 2023, 3:10pm

jubjub bird wrote:

Imo it's the opposite. Axis is the best early game doctrine, especially when neighboring non-Axis countries that they can run over easily.

In mid-late game, Allies (research levels) and Comintern (economics) can catch up. Pan Asian is great always.

Axis would probably be the most popular choice (and is probably the best choice for new players or less-active players).

I understand why they wouldn't vary doctrines on historic maps, but it'd be an interesting addition to something like the America map, where 95% of playable states are Allies. It could use some variety.

Well, with Axis i have had more luck late game and i usually see more Axis left,and no, Axis is not really that good early, if 2 or more countries declare war, you are screwed. Plus, you guys ignore that fact that the game needs to be BALANCED!!

jubjub bird · Mar 5th 2023, 3:56pm

How would many players choosing Axis result in an unbalanced game? Is it just because of having many players of the same doctrine, in which case is the America map unbalanced because most players are Allies? Or are you saying that Axis is a better doctrine than the others and therefore would disadvantage non-Axis choosers?

Fox-Company · Mar 5th 2023, 4:00pm

If 5 friends joined a game and all chose Axis, everyone else who does not choose Axis and coalition is fricked, so it pretty much forces other players to choose Axis or be screwed.

jubjub bird · Mar 5th 2023, 4:01pm

I disagree, I do not think that Axis is that strong of a doctrine. If it is, that's an argument for rebalancing the doctrines rather than not implementing choose-your-doctrine maps.

Fox-Company · Mar 5th 2023, 4:23pm

You can keep arguing this point, i find no merit in it and think it is a waste of human resources to work on it, better to fix more bugs than add something that can make more than we already have.

Fox-Company · Mar 5th 2023, 4:24pm

For example, the Embarking/Disembarking fighting is still broken, they attack once and continue on their merry way.

jubjub bird · Mar 5th 2023, 4:30pm

So now your position is no suggestions at all until the game is entirely bug free? That's an interesting take, I guess.

Fox-Company · Mar 5th 2023, 4:43pm

jubjub bird wrote:

So now your position is no suggestions at all until the game is entirely bug free? That's an interesting take, I guess.

That is not what i said. but this is a feature that will not greatly improve the game or fix anything else. If this was something that the majority wanted, sure, go ahead and make maps with chooseable doctrines, but a bug like the one i just described is still around and it is absolutely game destroying.

jubjub bird · Mar 5th 2023, 4:55pm

Just seems like an extreme reaction to a pretty benign suggestion.

Fox-Company · Mar 5th 2023, 5:01pm

Yeah, well i like my opinions alot.

Swedentenk · Mar 5th 2023, 7:03pm

jubjub bird wrote:

In mid-late game, Allies (research levels) and Comintern (economics) can catch up. Pan Asian is great always.

I understand why they wouldn't vary doctrines on historic maps, but it'd be an interesting addition to something like the America map, where 95% of playable states are Allies. It could use some variety.

That's whole point of the game. Doctrines are balanced so there everyone has same chances. And they have their own advantages and disadvantages.

America is allied nation. In rotation there is game mode with Allies, Axis and Pan asian doctrines . It's currently on

jubjub bird · Mar 5th 2023, 7:46pm

Right, Dawn of the Patriot is a mix of the three as an alternate history scenario. Pacific Conquest also has non-Allies doctrines in the US, iirc. So no big deal to allow a scenario like regular America Homefront to choose your own adventure.

Fox-Company · Mar 5th 2023, 8:03pm

jubjub bird wrote:

Right, Dawn of the Patriot is a mix of the three as an alternate history scenario. Pacific Conquest also has non-Allies doctrines in the US, iirc. So no big deal to allow a scenario like regular America Homefront to choose your own adventure.

Might as well make an Asian-only map and have them all be Comintern

jubjub bird · Mar 5th 2023, 8:21pm

Can't tell if you're joking, but if not, Pacific Conquest has quite a few comintern Asian countries

K.Rokossovski · Mar 7th 2023, 4:55pm

I completely agree with this, it is quite boring that you can only play Pan-Asian in, erm, Asia. It would add a lot of variety on the same-old maps we always play because no new maps have been introduced for ages.

The argument that everyone would pick Axis is just ridiculous, it isn't any stronger than the others and for me personally, I like it least. If you have success with it, good for you, but don't talk like that's a golden rule or something like that.

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