How do you attack subs?

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    • How do you attack subs?

      I am attacking a stack of surface ships and subs with naval bombers, but whenever my bombers get close to the enemy stack, the subs disappear. Presumably this simulates them diving to avoid being bombed, but if this is how they behave, how are you supposed to sink them?

    • Submarines are only visible when in combat, so you should take them out when they attack you. But it also said that naval bombers have the capability of discovering submarines, but I'm not sure if that only means seeing them or bombing them as well.
      The past is a foreign country.

    • My personal strategy against subs is make my stack of 2 cruisers and 2 battleships with at least 6 destroyers, then I send the 4 capital ships to be atacked by subs, since they have a large amount of HP to use, and put the DD just behind them to bombard the subs. I've never found submarines with bombers and I guess DD can do that alone, but without scort the sub can approach and just sink it...

      Joe Bentleigh wrote:

      Nav bombers must be able to bomb them, because they have a submarine attack factor. And coming back to this battle, it looks as if my navs are hitting his subs, though for some reason they keep disappearing when the planes are actually close to the target :)
      I agree.
      O beijo, amigo, é a véspera do escarro,
      A mão que afaga é a mesma que apedreja.

    • In one of my games a single destroyer can destroy a single sub with 40% left in its morale and HP (can't tell the two so I just call morale HP and vice versa) since you can't see them if not in combat you need to bait them out, even with scouts you can't find a sub or at least in my games (needs testing)

      Also if your using subs, don't stack them to benefit their stealth and hunt capital ships.
      "Victory needs no explenation, defeat allows none"
      -imperium thought of the day

    • V1nd1cat0r wrote:

      In one of my games a single destroyer can destroy a single sub with 40% left in its morale and HP (can't tell the two so I just call morale HP and vice versa) since you can't see them if not in combat you need to bait them out, even with scouts you can't find a sub or at least in my games (needs testing)

      Also if your using subs, don't stack them to benefit their stealth and hunt capital ships.
      Well, my strategy is working till now, but for me Subs are very hard to kill, they need to be nerfed and DD must have the same atack/defend numbers against them, also Naval Bombers need to be able to find subs.

      For Capital ships the defending numbers against subs cannot be changed, since this is historical, I guess Germany did send some unescorted battleships of Z plan to british coast and they were easy targets.
      O beijo, amigo, é a véspera do escarro,
      A mão que afaga é a mesma que apedreja.

    • I have confirmed that nav bombers can sink subs as I just sank a couple. What I'm still not sure of is whether or not aircraft can spot subs, as the two subs I sank were stacked with 4 cruisers, and I'm thinking maybe that is the only reason I could spot the subs, because they were part of a squadron that included surface ships.

    • DD should be more effective againts subs since it's their role as escorts, but I don't agree that NB can can find them, how can a plane find a sub underwater up in the air?

      The allies used a certain device to find subs still underwater (can't remember what it is, does someone know?) with it and coordination with anti-submarine bombers can sink subs before they hit.

      use DD to escort your convoys and capital ships in the mean time.
      "Victory needs no explenation, defeat allows none"
      -imperium thought of the day

    • Joe Bentleigh wrote:

      I have confirmed that nav bombers can sink subs as I just sank a couple. What I'm still not sure of is whether or not aircraft can spot subs, as the two subs I sank were stacked with 4 cruisers, and I'm thinking maybe that is the only reason I could spot the subs, because they were part of a squadron that included surface ships.
      as I said if you want to use subs don't stack them, also did you really sunk them? Or did they escape? I'm curious what happen.
      "Victory needs no explenation, defeat allows none"
      -imperium thought of the day

    • V1nd1cat0r wrote:

      DD should be more effective againts subs since it's their role as escorts, but I don't agree that NB can can find them, how can a plane find a sub underwater up in the air?

      The allies used a certain device to find subs still underwater (can't remember what it is, does someone know?) with it and coordination with anti-submarine bombers can sink subs before they hit.

      use DD to escort your convoys and capital ships in the mean time.
      Subs in WWII spent most of their time on the surface so aircraft could spot them that way.

    • V1nd1cat0r wrote:

      Joe Bentleigh wrote:

      I have confirmed that nav bombers can sink subs as I just sank a couple. What I'm still not sure of is whether or not aircraft can spot subs, as the two subs I sank were stacked with 4 cruisers, and I'm thinking maybe that is the only reason I could spot the subs, because they were part of a squadron that included surface ships.
      as I said if you want to use subs don't stack them, also did you really sunk them? Or did they escape? I'm curious what happen.
      Yes I'm sure I sank them, I was carefully checking the casualty figures after every bombing run (as the subs were invisible at the moment of engagement) and finally got a message saying I had wiped out the cruiser squadron they had been part of.

    • Subs are only visible in combat, if not in combat they cant be seen even with patrols. If a sub attack one of your ships and a NB is patrolling the NB will immediately attack the target, but you can't attack subs with planes alone you need to wait them to attack you or bait them to you.
      "Victory needs no explenation, defeat allows none"
      -imperium thought of the day

    • That sounds a bit naff to me.

      So you can literally sit a sub in someone's harbour to observe their movements and there is no way they can ever know it's there unless you attack them with it?

      Spies, I guess.


      Edit: Oh, except this:

      jaws wrote:


      Naval bombers on patrol can see subs and (as per patrol orders) will engage them.

      The post was edited 1 time, last by Walterchang ().

    • Walterchang wrote:

      That sounds a bit naff to me.

      So you can literally sit a sub in someone's harbour to observe their movements and there is no way they can ever know it's there unless you attack them with it?

      Spies, I guess.


      Edit: Oh, except this:

      jaws wrote:

      Naval bombers on patrol can see subs and (as per patrol orders) will engage them.

      i am doing it now note the white circle around boston harbor that is my sub and i now see his coastal troops and navy.