BladeFisher wrote:
Not sure what you are arguing here? I never suggested that a convoy had no offensive capability. Just that not against a submarine. Look nearly all subs attack submerged. Early in the war and no doubt for the US later in the war Axis/US subs would attack on the surface if they were sure there was either no enemy ships or aircraft around. But these were against single vessels not a convoy of say 20 ships !
Maybe it is just my life long interest but I am amazed at the ignorance shown on this thread about this. The whole sub thing in CoW is rubbish. It does not give the sub the 'mamba' threat it had. Against a BS or Cruiser the sub was pretty deadly. But it would be rare to catch either a BS or Cruiser with no other escort. It did happen, but unusual.
The disadvantage of the sub was its speed. On the surface, good versus convoys and sometimes naval vessels so long as it was not discovered. If the sub was behind its target, say target at 11, 12 o clock the sub would do a 180 and depending on the sun, moon, wind do a go right around manoeuvre like around a circumference to get ahead of the target. But it could only do this if it had speed.
Now in CoW it would be silly to start having different detailed characteristics. So just make it simple, simples !
Merchant shipping is much easier, cargo ships only sail at 8-10 knots so the sub has the time for maneuver. If the sub feels safe enough to surface, he can even get the speed advantage.
All this cannot be simulated in current combat mechanics. As it is, when two groups melee, one of those groups is going to die; there are no "ties". It would be completely unfair if the sub always won that kind of engagement, leisurely killing the cruisers without taking any damage back. So just as bombers have to take damage from ground troops without any AA, subs have to take damage from surface ships...
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