What if suggestions about world war 2

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    • Carking the 6th wrote:

      The issue is assuming the Allie’s would act a certain way, and the Germans another. Considering How the Germans treated Rotterdam and Amsterdam it’s safe to say that even Western Europeans were not safe, especially the French who were considered somewhat racially inferior due to African and Mediterranean blood (Nazis are dumb). But yeah, this could easily end in disaster. What if Germany and Italy decide to abandon Africa, not wasting resources and losing loads of men and instead fortifying Italy so that the Sicily campaign fails? That would mean the Allies do a lot worse in the war, and are suck outside of mainland Europe… of course the Soviets would still win, but you see a scenario where France gets ravaged and more of Europe is red.
      Agreed. I had forgotten about Amsterdam and Rotterdam, so yes, the French would probably have suffered as well. And yeah, if the Axis was smart (and if Italy wasn't overambitious), they would have given up on Africa entirely. However, we say that with the benefit of hindsight. German High Command was expecting WW1-style fighting in France, not the quick decisive blow and conquest of Western Europe. Riding off of that high, it becomes clearer why Germany so confidently sent troops to Libya in OTL.

      Also, I've always been curious about an alternate historical timeline, where Overlord fails and gets delayed, how much of Europe would become red? Would Italy be split (there were many communists in Italy) or even fully red? Greece? Finland? Denmark? The Soviets might have even demanded full control of Germany if the war had gone that badly for the Western Powers. It could have even led to a Third World War, depending on how Stalin thought at the time...
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    • Rotterdam was heavily bombed in may 1940, but why do you mention Amsterdam? Apart from the Jews being deported and any sign of protest brutally being oppressed (like everywhere else in Europe), the situation for ordinary people only got desperate in the hunger winter of 1944.
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    • _Pyth0n_ wrote:

      Carking the 6th wrote:

      The issue is assuming the Allie’s would act a certain way, and the Germans another. Considering How the Germans treated Rotterdam and Amsterdam it’s safe to say that even Western Europeans were not safe, especially the French who were considered somewhat racially inferior due to African and Mediterranean blood (Nazis are dumb). But yeah, this could easily end in disaster. What if Germany and Italy decide to abandon Africa, not wasting resources and losing loads of men and instead fortifying Italy so that the Sicily campaign fails? That would mean the Allies do a lot worse in the war, and are suck outside of mainland Europe… of course the Soviets would still win, but you see a scenario where France gets ravaged and more of Europe is red.
      Also, I've always been curious about an alternate historical timeline, where Overlord fails and gets delayed, how much of Europe would become red? Would Italy be split (there were many communists in Italy) or even fully red? Greece? Finland? Denmark? The Soviets might have even demanded full control of Germany if the war had gone that badly for the Western Powers. It could have even led to a Third World War, depending on how Stalin thought at the time...
      The most interesting thought about if D-day failed is how it would affect the Cold War. I think it depends on how it fails. If the allies manage to withdraw their forces and equipment they could just attack again in a few months and succeed then, but if their forces are crushed and captured then they’ll have to wait a very long time to be able to land again… D-Day was very meticulously planned. Iirc Greece was liberated by the allies in a quick naval invasion as the Soviets swept through Eastern Europe (I think they didn’t care or something) and you also have to remember that the Yalta conference sort of decided how Europe would be divided. Maybe Stalin would not care if the allies failed, though.

      I’d say that making France red is unlikely, the allies would probably just make another rushed landing to liberate it before Germany collapses. It’s too far. However if all of Germany falls to the Russians, what’s to say they won’t “liberate” the rest of Western Europe? I could see Western Europe falling into their hands, and if they are lucky they make get the Low Countries, perhaps Denmark? If they break through the mountains quickly then much of North Italy may fall as well. A Cold War with most of Europe Red would be strange… not sure how different it would be. If the Soviets are smart they may be able to get the rest of Italy and create a Red France, who knows. Them having all of Germany changes things a lot.

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    • NEPTUNE the great wrote:

      What if… Hitlers march on Munich successfully happened?
      Worst case scenario, civil war, prolly. Didn't have as much chance of success as Mussolini...
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