Kollin wrote:
Oh yeah that's right, The U.S is building up in the east over that Russia nonsense.
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Kollin wrote:
Oh yeah that's right, The U.S is building up in the east over that Russia nonsense.
GreatbigHippo wrote:
Again? What has Russia done that the US doesn't do all the time?
Quasi-duck wrote:
Where did that nonsense come from? Probably one of the best tanks of all time, I never remember saying I did not like it.oceanhawk wrote:
I thought you hated the Abrams?
oceanhawk wrote:
Combined with superior armor, better troops and Generals. With the best moral as well!Quasi-duck wrote:
Unexpected attack and most of Soviet air forces destroyed on the ground.oceanhawk wrote:
Then explain how the Germans were winning the war in 41?
oceanhawk wrote:
Think Pablo said it actually..
MihailMD wrote:
Is that why they lost?
Pablo22510 wrote:
No, I like the Abrams.oceanhawk wrote:
Think Pablo said it actually..
No, they lost because of *beeeeeeeeeeeeep* Hitler.MihailMD wrote:
Is that why they lost?
MihailMD wrote:
sure, it is just an excuse.
Germany couldn't compete with USSR in man power, resources , equipment ( in later stages) or willingness to go to the end. They didn't stand a chance
Pablo22510 wrote:
That's why they nearly took Moscow, and could have taken it, if it wasn't for Hitler.
Quasi-duck wrote:
Proof?
Pablo22510 wrote:
If Hitler hadn't decided to help Mussolini, Op Barbarossa would've started 3 weeks earlier, which would've been an immense advantage, as Moscow would've fallen. Also, Hitler took command of the Wehrmacht on December 19th, 1941, which was when Army Group Centre started retreating from Moscow.
Quasi-duck wrote:
That doesn't matter. German flanks were covered by men armed with a few rifles, broom poles and tanks from the 20's. That is why Axis forces were routed at Stalingrad.
Pablo22510 wrote:
Axis forces were routed at Stalingrad because Hitler didn't allow them to retreat, and because the Soviets poured infinite numbers of men in.
Quasi-duck wrote:
Soooo what you're trying to say is, if USSR hadn't used its tactics, developed in the 20's and 30's and called Deep Operations, Germany would have conquered them in WWII?
Pablo22510 wrote:
No, what I'm saying is that if Hitler had allowed his generals to counter those tactics, they would've won.
Pablo22510 wrote:
No, what I'm saying is that if Hitler had allowed his generals to counter those tactics, they would've won.Quasi-duck wrote:
Soooo what you're trying to say is, if USSR hadn't used its tactics, developed in the 20's and 30's and called Deep Operations, Germany would have conquered them in WWII?
MihailMD wrote:
No invader came out of Russia victorious.
Quasi-duck wrote:
Well, the Polish and Lithuanian Commonwealth did. They kinda became Russian then though.MihailMD wrote:
No invader came out of Russia victorious.
MihailMD wrote:
not a single chance. They could have started weeks or months earlier, it wouldn't matter, the end result would be the same, with or without Hitler.
Look at history. No invader came out of Russia victorious. It was a bad idea in the first place to go against USSR.