Pablo22510 wrote:
Well, someone has to be the first to succeed.
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Pablo22510 wrote:
Well, someone has to be the first to succeed.
Quasi-duck wrote:
Not necessarily. Jump into space, someone has to succeed, y'know?Pablo22510 wrote:
Well, someone has to be the first to succeed.
Pablo22510 wrote:
Well, someone has to be the first to succeed.MihailMD wrote:
not a single chance. They could have started weeks or months earlier, it wouldn't matter, the end result would be the same, with or without Hitler.
Look at history. No invader came out of Russia victorious. It was a bad idea in the first place to go against USSR.
MihailMD wrote:
yes, Russia))
Pablo22510 wrote:
I don't get you.Quasi-duck wrote:
Not necessarily. Jump into space, someone has to succeed, y'know?Pablo22510 wrote:
Well, someone has to be the first to succeed.
MihailMD wrote:
quite obvious you don't get a lot of things...
Pablo22510 wrote:
Yeah, same as the fact that you don't get that Russia wasn't invaded completely because of Hitler.MihailMD wrote:
quite obvious you don't get a lot of things...
MihailMD wrote:
changing topic because you got no arguments or facts, only proves my point..
Pablo22510 wrote:
No, the only thing that it proves is your lack of respect.MihailMD wrote:
changing topic because you got no arguments or facts, only proves my point..
MihailMD wrote:
i do have a low tolerance and little respect for ignorant people, making excuses for the defeat of Nazi Germany in USSR, after they pretty much backstabbed it and had a huge advantages early in equipment, experience in modern warfare and great generals/leaders to command it.
But still managed to be utterly beaten and humiliated, some even hanged for their atrocities during their invasion...
Pablo22510 wrote:
And I have extremely low tolerance for stupid people who think they know everything, yet know nothing. I have no bloody excuses to make for Germany's defeat because I'm not German.MihailMD wrote:
i do have a low tolerance and little respect for ignorant people, making excuses for the defeat of Nazi Germany in USSR, after they pretty much backstabbed it and had a huge advantages early in equipment, experience in modern warfare and great generals/leaders to command it.
But still managed to be utterly beaten and humiliated, some even hanged for their atrocities during their invasion...
I also have very low tolerance for people who are brainwashed by propaganda.
Pablo22510 wrote:
I have no bloody excuses to make for Germany's defeat because I'm not German.
GreatbigHippo wrote:
Um, guys? I agree with Pablo. Not that it will change anything, though.
MihailMD wrote:
in regards to what?)GreatbigHippo wrote:
Um, guys? I agree with Pablo. Not that it will change anything, though.
GreatbigHippo wrote:
Um, guys? I agree with Pablo. Not that it will change anything, though.
MihailMD wrote:
do you have early stages of Alzheimer's??? You made a ton of excuses for Nazi Germany and how it would different if .... Bla bla bla. I also never said or claimed you are German by the way, it really does not make a difference who you are.
As far as being brainwashed, out of the two of us it is most definitely you. I am giving you facts above, all you have excuses and what ifs.
Same goes for stupid ;).
Quasi-duck wrote:
Not even Germans make excuses you know.
Pablo22510 wrote:
No, I like the Abrams.oceanhawk wrote:
Think Pablo said it actually..
No, they lost because of *beeeeeeeeeeeeep* Hitler.MihailMD wrote:
Is that why they lost?
Pablo22510 wrote:
That's why they nearly took Moscow, and could have taken it, if it wasn't for Hitler.MihailMD wrote:
sure, it is just an excuse.
Germany couldn't compete with USSR in man power, resources , equipment ( in later stages) or willingness to go to the end. They didn't stand a chance
Pablo22510 wrote:
If Hitler hadn't decided to help Mussolini, Op Barbarossa would've started 3 weeks earlier, which would've been an immense advantage, as Moscow would've fallen. Also, Hitler took command of the Wehrmacht on December 19th, 1941, which was when Army Group Centre started retreating from Moscow.
Pablo22510 wrote:
Axis forces were routed at Stalingrad because Hitler didn't allow them to retreat, and because the Soviets poured infinite numbers of men in.Quasi-duck wrote:
That doesn't matter. German flanks were covered by men armed with a few rifles, broom poles and tanks from the 20's. That is why Axis forces were routed at Stalingrad.
Pablo22510 wrote:
No, what I'm saying is that if Hitler had allowed his generals to counter those tactics, they would've won.Quasi-duck wrote:
Soooo what you're trying to say is, if USSR hadn't used its tactics, developed in the 20's and 30's and called Deep Operations, Germany would have conquered them in WWII?
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