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  • Pablo22510 wrote:

    GreatbigHippo wrote:

    Economics has nothing to do with civil liberties. I agree that capitalism was designed with good intentions, but you cannot underestimate the power of greed. It's like the atom, it can be harnessed for good, but it needs to be contained or else it will destroy you. Capitalism does not have sufficient containment.
    *changes tactics*
    Look, I'm not going to argue for capitalism because you obviously hate its guts, and nothing can convince that it's good. But let me argue against Communism. Communism, in essence, is a very good idea, but an idea that cannot and won't even work. Communism is like an abstract painting: when you want it to have a meaning, and therefore 'work', it loses its abstractness, or in this case its Communism. You cannot take from the rich and give to the poor, because they'll just leave. And even if you prevent them from leaving, their wealth cannot lasst forever. Another flaw is the lack of incentives. Even Nikita Khruschev once said "Call it what you will, incentives are what get people to work harder." A functioning society needs incentives. If not, efficiency is massively reduced, and the country won't do anything.
    I agree that communism has been abused in the past. But I continue to believe adaptations of communism have potential. Marxism, the form of communism that removes all incentives, will never work. Complete equality is impossible. Not all people are naturally equal, some are more capable than others. But you can remove classes without achieving wage equality. If somebody doesn't work, you can give him a bunk in a room with 20 people in it. At least he has some form of security. If somebody is responsible for an entire industry, you can give him some extra luxuries.
    Payment should be determined by a combination of how dangerous or difficult the job is and how important it is. Industries can be owned by the government. What I described here isn't Marxism, but it is still a form of communism. The basic idea has potential, it just needs to be given a chance.
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  • Quasi-duck wrote:

    Pablo22510 wrote:

    Another flaw is the lack of incentives. Even Nikita Khruschev once said "Call it what you will, incentives are what get people to work harder." A functioning society needs incentives. If not, efficiency is massively reduced, and the country won't do anything.
    You guys keep ignoring the medals!
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders,_…iet_Union#Civilian_medals
    who cares about a few medals..

    I will take my Porsche, and a pool+tennis court at my house, than a few medals



    If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
    -Friedrich von Haye


  • GreatbigHippo wrote:

    Pablo22510 wrote:

    GreatbigHippo wrote:

    Economics has nothing to do with civil liberties. I agree that capitalism was designed with good intentions, but you cannot underestimate the power of greed. It's like the atom, it can be harnessed for good, but it needs to be contained or else it will destroy you. Capitalism does not have sufficient containment.
    *changes tactics*Look, I'm not going to argue for capitalism because you obviously hate its guts, and nothing can convince that it's good. But let me argue against Communism. Communism, in essence, is a very good idea, but an idea that cannot and won't even work. Communism is like an abstract painting: when you want it to have a meaning, and therefore 'work', it loses its abstractness, or in this case its Communism. You cannot take from the rich and give to the poor, because they'll just leave. And even if you prevent them from leaving, their wealth cannot lasst forever. Another flaw is the lack of incentives. Even Nikita Khruschev once said "Call it what you will, incentives are what get people to work harder." A functioning society needs incentives. If not, efficiency is massively reduced, and the country won't do anything.
    I agree that communism has been abused in the past. But I continue to believe adaptations of communism have potential. Marxism, the form of communism that removes all incentives, will never work. Complete equality is impossible. Not all people are naturally equal, some are more capable than others. But you can remove classes without achieving wage equality. If somebody doesn't work, you can give him a bunk in a room with 20 people in it. At least he has some form of security. If somebody is responsible for an entire industry, you can give him some extra luxuries.Payment should be determined by a combination of how dangerous or difficult the job is and how important it is. Industries can be owned by the government. What I described here isn't Marxism, but it is still a form of communism. The basic idea has potential, it just needs to be given a chance.
    For sake A "global warming is bad" the ocean is rising.. bla bla bla...


    Communism, even in this form does destroy the incentive to work. And you can tell that Duck to go take the plastic medals, are try get a refund. Not only that, but more risk is taken in the free market, and in this way discovery's in sciene, medicine and life are made!

    I think you see Capitalism, as some fat crazy gut exploiting poor people..... thats wrong, that is really North Korea..
    Capitalism, is where you can dream, work hard and reap the rewards. Communism dreams for the sewage, Capitalism shoots for the stars. No not everybody makes it, but people can reach their full potential, wheather their best suited for an economist, a bin driver or teacher. Eitherway, all can take risks, and work hard. And hard work should be rewarded..


    A good example of how Communism will fail.
    What if there were 30 people in the class. And there was a test, and we decided to divide up share the results.
    After a few tests, the scores would keep going down, because nobody would have the incentive to do well, when somebody is piggybacking off you, and you can piggyback of somebody else. And the further point, is that anybody there, can actually get an A, if they work hard. And in Capitalism, or right wing views, People will work hard, because the best can be earned.

    I will admit, you have good arguments, and it was a good debate, but you will come around :P

    But seriously, the Icecaps in the Antarctic are growing according to NASA, but they also say this is because of Global warming, its rather cool.



    If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
    -Friedrich von Haye


  • Quasi-duck wrote:

    oceanhawk wrote:

    who cares about a few medals..
    Apparently you.

    oceanhawk wrote:

    I will take my Porsche, and a pool+tennis court at my house, than a few medals

    Nobody wants a few shitzy medals, unless they for military service..
    Otherwise, I will take my Porsche in Navy. And the GT2 spec pls.



    If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
    -Friedrich von Haye


  • oceanhawk wrote:

    Quasi-duck wrote:

    oceanhawk wrote:

    who cares about a few medals..
    Apparently you.

    oceanhawk wrote:

    I will take my Porsche, and a pool+tennis court at my house, than a few medals

    Nobody wants a few shitzy medals, unless they for military service..Otherwise, I will take my Porsche in Navy. And the GT2 spec pls.
    The reason why you'd want military service medals is because your culture values them. So if you were in a communist culture that valued civilian medals, you'd want those, too.
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  • GreatbigHippo wrote:

    oceanhawk wrote:

    Communism dreams for the sewage,
    I always wanted to be a sewage worker. Communist dreams are my dreams!
    Maybe communists can find out if methane actually causes global warming.
    Haha, well you are a hippo, and hippo likes water, but not salt water, but the salt water coming!



    If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
    -Friedrich von Haye


  • oceanhawk wrote:

    GreatbigHippo wrote:

    oceanhawk wrote:

    Communism dreams for the sewage,
    I always wanted to be a sewage worker. Communist dreams are my dreams!Maybe communists can find out if methane actually causes global warming.
    Haha, well you are a hippo, and hippo likes water, but not salt water, but the salt water coming!
    No... I'm a watermelon. Hippos cause global warming. I would never cause global warming.
    Forum Gang Premier

    you are a balls

  • GreatbigHippo wrote:

    oceanhawk wrote:

    GreatbigHippo wrote:

    oceanhawk wrote:

    Communism dreams for the sewage,
    I always wanted to be a sewage worker. Communist dreams are my dreams!Maybe communists can find out if methane actually causes global warming.
    Haha, well you are a hippo, and hippo likes water, but not salt water, but the salt water coming!
    No... I'm a watermelon. Hippos cause global warming. I would never cause global warming.
    Watermelon... what a fruit!

    Put seriously, could global warming effect the quality of our watermelon?



    If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
    -Friedrich von Haye


  • oceanhawk wrote:

    GreatbigHippo wrote:

    oceanhawk wrote:

    GreatbigHippo wrote:

    oceanhawk wrote:

    Communism dreams for the sewage,
    I always wanted to be a sewage worker. Communist dreams are my dreams!Maybe communists can find out if methane actually causes global warming.
    Haha, well you are a hippo, and hippo likes water, but not salt water, but the salt water coming!
    No... I'm a watermelon. Hippos cause global warming. I would never cause global warming.
    Watermelon... what a fruit!
    Put seriously, could global warming effect the quality of our watermelon?
    Yes. The warmer the climate the more watermelons. I like global warming now.
    Forum Gang Premier

    you are a balls

  • GreatbigHippo wrote:

    oceanhawk wrote:

    GreatbigHippo wrote:

    oceanhawk wrote:

    GreatbigHippo wrote:

    oceanhawk wrote:

    Communism dreams for the sewage,
    I always wanted to be a sewage worker. Communist dreams are my dreams!Maybe communists can find out if methane actually causes global warming.
    Haha, well you are a hippo, and hippo likes water, but not salt water, but the salt water coming!
    No... I'm a watermelon. Hippos cause global warming. I would never cause global warming.
    Watermelon... what a fruit!Put seriously, could global warming effect the quality of our watermelon?
    Yes. The warmer the climate the more watermelons. I like global warming now.
    Nah mate, the more climate change, more watermelons drown
    and the posion gases, are bad for the watermlon!



    If Socialists understood Economics, they wouldn't be socialists
    -Friedrich von Haye