Combat aircraft talk thread

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    • Combat aircraft talk thread

      Best attack helicopter 8
      1.  
        Mi-28 Havoc (2) 25%
      2.  
        Mi-24 Hind (2) 25%
      3.  
        AH-64 (2) 25%
      4.  
        Eurocopter Tiger (1) 13%
      5.  
        AH-1Z Viper (1) 13%
      6.  
        AH-2 Rooivalk (0) 0%
      7.  
        A129 Mangusta (0) 0%
      8.  
        Ka-52 (0) 0%
      As this came up in a few other threads, I thought we need a specific thread to talk about this stuff..

      enjoy :)


      UPDATE..... POLLS ADDED...



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      The post was edited 1 time, last by oceanhawk ().

    • oceanhawk wrote:

      Oceanhawk piliots, are not trained to just hunt subs. They are trained as a multi mission maritime pilot, And Oceanhawks are trained in numerous fields. This really shows, you lack of basic combat aircraft knowledge..
      Knowing what a pilot is trained in for every aircraft ever is not "basic combat aircraft knowledge".... Besides, multi-mission could mean sub-hunting, sea rescue and recon.

      oceanhawk wrote:

      The Havoc, doesnt have the weaponary, compared to the Oceanhawk, and they are in different fields as well. But crossing eachothers roles, the Oceanhawk is ahead.
      Saying that an attack helicopter has less weaponry than a sub-hunter makes you sound like an utter moron. Except for the torpedoes, but then those are useless against heli's.

      You can't use an Oceanhawk in the same role as a Mi-28. Note the air-to-air missiles that the Mi-28 can have, which the Hawk does not.

      SH-60B armament:



      Mi-28 armament:

      • Guns: 1× chin-mounted 30 mm Shipunov 2A42 cannon with 250 rounds (±110° horizontal fire)
      • Hardpoints: Two pylons under each stub wing to mount bombs, rockets, missiles, and gun pods. Main armament configurations include:
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    • Quasi-duck wrote:

      oceanhawk wrote:

      Oceanhawk piliots, are not trained to just hunt subs. They are trained as a multi mission maritime pilot, And Oceanhawks are trained in numerous fields. This really shows, you lack of basic combat aircraft knowledge..
      Knowing what a pilot is trained in for every aircraft ever is not "basic combat aircraft knowledge".... Besides, multi-mission could mean sub-hunting, sea rescue and recon.

      oceanhawk wrote:

      The Havoc, doesnt have the weaponary, compared to the Oceanhawk, and they are in different fields as well. But crossing eachothers roles, the Oceanhawk is ahead.
      Saying that an attack helicopter has less weaponry than a sub-hunter makes you sound like an utter moron. Except for the torpedoes, but then those are useless against heli's.
      You can't use an Oceanhawk in the same role as a Mi-28. Note the air-to-air missiles that the Mi-28 can have, which the Hawk does not.

      SH-60B armament:



      Mi-28 armament:

      • Guns: 1× chin-mounted 30 mm Shipunov 2A42 cannon with 250 rounds (±110° horizontal fire)
      • Hardpoints: Two pylons under each stub wing to mount bombs, rockets, missiles, and gun pods. Main armament configurations include:

      Hahaha, wikipedia is nonsense.. Id never ever take a reference from there...
      And the Mi-28 cant fire A to air missiles, just the AT missiles, according to two sources, that are not wikipdedia.


      Oceanhawk pilots, are trained to protect carriers, from all threats. Remember Oceanhawks and Seahawks are not the same, just very similar...

      also, the MH-60R can carry 2 penguins....



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    • oceanhawk wrote:

      Hahaha, wikipedia is nonsense.. Id never ever take a reference from there...
      And the Mi-28 cant fire A to air missiles, just the AT missiles, according to two sources, that are not wikipdedia.


      Oceanhawk pilots, are trained to protect carriers, from all threats. Remember Oceanhawks and Seahawks are not the same, just very similar...

      also, the MH-60R can carry 2 penguins....
      Alright, now you're just living in denial. It is a fact that the Mi-28 can have air-to-airs. Here is a Mi-28 armed with Vympels.

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    • Quasi-duck wrote:

      oceanhawk wrote:

      Hahaha, wikipedia is nonsense.. Id never ever take a reference from there...
      And the Mi-28 cant fire A to air missiles, just the AT missiles, according to two sources, that are not wikipdedia.


      Oceanhawk pilots, are trained to protect carriers, from all threats. Remember Oceanhawks and Seahawks are not the same, just very similar...

      also, the MH-60R can carry 2 penguins....
      Alright, now you're just living in denial. It is a fact that the Mi-28 can have air-to-airs. Here is a Mi-28 armed with Vympels.

      Still cant beat an apache, plus an oceanhawk got hellfire.

      You are comparing helis from different catogorieses, but even still Oceanhawks can take a havoc all the rounds..

      But then you match a havok with an apache lol, Apache rules
      or even a cobra and bam...

      I cant think of one area Russia/Soviet helis beat American,



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    • oceanhawk wrote:

      Still cant beat an apache, plus an oceanhawk got hellfire.

      You are comparing helis from different catogorieses, but even still Oceanhawks can take a havoc all the rounds..

      But then you match a havok with an apache lol, Apache rules
      or even a cobra and bam...

      I cant think of one area Russia/Soviet helis beat American,
      The topic was about an attack helicopter armed with air-to-airs defeating an anti-sub heli armed with ASM's and miniguns.....
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    • Quasi-duck wrote:

      oceanhawk wrote:

      Still cant beat an apache, plus an oceanhawk got hellfire.

      You are comparing helis from different catogorieses, but even still Oceanhawks can take a havoc all the rounds..

      But then you match a havok with an apache lol, Apache rules
      or even a cobra and bam...

      I cant think of one area Russia/Soviet helis beat American,
      The topic was about an attack helicopter armed with air-to-airs defeating an anti-sub heli armed with ASM's and miniguns.....
      see there you go, you were looking it up, had to google the fact they use A to air missiles. The anti sub heli, still rules the ocean, that was my original point, and yea I have no clue how that went to here. And armed with Hellfire missiles... so yea..



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    • oceanhawk wrote:

      see there you go, you were looking it up, had to google the fact they use A to air missiles.
      That doesn't make the helicopter less effective....

      oceanhawk wrote:

      The anti sub heli, still rules the ocean, that was my original point, and yea I have no clue how that went to here. And armed with Hellfire missiles... so yea..
      I pointed out that it could be beaten by a Seafire, a ~70 year old aircraft. So, on top of it being beaten by a Mi-28, it is beaten by literally any aircraft that has offensive weaponry.
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    • oceanhawk wrote:

      you do know its a plane yes..
      Alright, well, your saying a poorly armed helicopter can defeat a fixed wing aircraft armed with 20mm cannons, so it is clearly impossible to hold an intelligent discussion with the likes of you.
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    • Quasi-duck wrote:

      oceanhawk wrote:

      you do know its a plane yes..
      Alright, well, your saying a poorly armed helicopter can defeat a fixed wing aircraft armed with 20mm cannons, so it is clearly impossible to hold an intelligent discussion with the likes of you.
      Never said that

      First of all, obviously, Im talking about helicopters... An f-18 would make scrap of an Oceanhawk
      the Seafire, still would lose to an Oceanhawk. Oceanhawk has Hellfire missiles



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    • Quasi-duck wrote:

      oceanhawk wrote:

      First of all, obviously, Im talking about helicopters... An f-18 would make scrap of an Oceanhawk
      the Seafire, still would lose to an Oceanhawk. Oceanhawk has Hellfire missiles
      The Seafire is not even a helicopter....

      Oceanhawk= helicopter
      Seafire=Plane
      F-18=Plance

      Oceanhawk beats seafire
      F-18 beats Oceanhawk
      f-18 Beats seafire



      does that clear things up for you?



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