"Elite" militia?

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    • MontanaBB wrote:

      The Germans relied on dive bombers like the Stuka early on. The western Allies used twin-engine TBs which attacked from lower altitudes with far greater accuracy than strategic bombers. They also used fighter bombers which flew fast and low. Ironically, some of the best tactical "bombers" were fighters like the P-47 Thunderbolt, Hawker Typhoon and F4U Corsair which could be adapted to carry anti-personnel fragmentation bombs, rockets and napalm. Fighter squadrons were typically larger, too -- 18 to 24 aircraft. Such fighter-bombers would also have attacked in element succession of pairs or fours, not as a massed wing of 2 or 4-engine bombers all at once.
      I know all this, but you have to keep in mind that the only JU-87 in the game is a naval bomber, and the majority of/all the TB in this game are multi-engine bombers.
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    • Quasi-duck wrote:

      Pablo22510 wrote:

      The level of coordination in a normal division exceeds the one achieved in the Irish War of Independence by far.
      Militia isn't normal though, is it? Rag-tag group of civilians with rifles fighting a foreign invader.
      My point exactly. It isn't exactly 'conventional' warfare, so that's why guerrillas shouldn't be included in the game.
      The past is a foreign country.

    • Quasi-duck wrote:

      Pablo22510 wrote:

      My point exactly. It isn't exactly 'conventional' warfare, so that's why guerrillas shouldn't be included in the game.
      You're not making much sense. It isn't specified how the units fight, so it doesn't matter.
      Well, I see what you're saying, but I don't think Bytro has wanted to put elite militia as guerrillas. They kinda wanted to portray it as an essentially elite, shit unit. You can't have that, man.
      The past is a foreign country.

    • Pablo22510 wrote:

      Well, I see what you're saying, but I don't think Bytro has wanted to put elite militia as guerrillas. They kinda wanted to portray it as an essentially elite, shit unit. You can't have that, man.
      You can, the best of the worst. Anyway, it'll help people spend money. Those GM players with mommy's purse "I creamed some dude with militia".
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    • Think militia as Finnish troops at winter war. Finnish troops was really militia mainly and stopped Soviet pretty good.

      Google "raatteentie" "talvisota"

      About guerrilla warfare u should read book Atso Haapanen "SISSI-ISKU PETROVSKI JAMIIN" there is 100men coordinated strike way behind lines and back.

      There was my grandfather one of those guerrillas

    • Militia suck vs infantry

      there thread over.

      You suckers who want guerrilla mechanics?

      Militia are kick-ass in forests

      there end of that too.

      Your stupid whims are already in the game, now keep micro managing those planes and artillery "historically accurately" to kill people who log on once a day so you can pretend to be the next Hitler or Rommel.

    • Chickenus wrote:

      Militia suck vs infantry

      there thread over.

      You suckers who want guerrilla mechanics?

      Militia are kick-ass in forests

      there end of that too.

      Your stupid whims are already in the game, now keep micro managing those planes and artillery "historically accurately" to kill people who log on once a day so you can pretend to be the next Hitler or Rommel.
      Why would you bump a dead thread idea from 2016 that you don't even want implemented....?
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    • MontanaBB wrote:

      I just saw this for the first time. From a historical viewpoint, elite militia are a bad joke. There is no such thing as a militia unit that could have gone head to head with an American, British German or Soviet frontline infantry unit of the same size. A well-trained infantry unit would have crushed a good militia unit every time. Only if we include some completely new game concept of guerrilla warfare does this remotely make sense.
      During the second world war, Australia’s land fighting force was essentially composed of two separate armies, the 2nd Australian Imperial Force (AIF) and the Citizen Military Forces (CMF or Militia).

      The militia gained respect from the AIF after they distinguished themselves in the brutal fighting of the Papuan Campaign, against overwhelming numbers of Imperial Japanese infantry.

      Aussie,Aussie,Aussie

    • WarPtyLtd wrote:

      During the second world war, Australia’s land fighting force was essentially composed of two separate armies, the 2nd Australian Imperial Force (AIF) and the Citizen Military Forces (CMF or Militia).

      The militia gained respect from the AIF after they distinguished themselves in the brutal fighting of the Papuan Campaign, against overwhelming numbers of Imperial Japanese infantry.

      Aussie,Aussie,Aussie
      Just as well Montana said that they couldn't go "head to head with an American, British German or Soviet frontline infantry unit of the same size". The IJA was the worst branch of the Japanese military in WWII and is well known for having terrible tactics and weaponry, better known for fighting in terrain that the Allies were not trained to fight in rather than actually being high quality troops. A good example of this is the Battle for Henderson Field on Guadalcanal (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_for_Henderson_Field#Nakaguma's_attack_on_the_Matanikau)

      "Further west, the 9th Company of Nasu's 3rd Battalion charged straight into Puller's Company C at 01:15. Within five minutes, a Marine machine gun section led by Sergeant John Basilone killed almost every member of the 9th Company. By 01:25, heavy fire from the Marine divisional artillery was falling into Nasu's troop assembly and approach routes, causing heavy casualties."
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    • Yah, because the japs were worse at fighting than the soviets.... And screw off with the "this post is so old XD" spam.

      Guns are called the great equalizer for a reason, and just because a disabled has an archaic rifle he only fired once, or a state of the art, yet crudely made anti-tank weapon does not mean a veteran of 5 years hard fighting can just write him off.

      Volksstrum and Soviet conscripts were used to great effect, they suffered massive losses, but they are not meant to be used as front line troops. their speed is limited for this reason, and they cannot go head to head with regular infantry in battle. The Russians bogged down the German Invasion with militia, counter attacking, something not represented in this game.

      The term "elite militia" is just used to describe the fact it comes from crates, and to say there was not different levels of militia is a complete joke. In the battle of Berlin you had volksstrum factory workers, 'old' men who fought in wwi, certainty not a unit to play around with

    • Chickenus wrote:

      Yah, because the japs were worse at fighting than the soviets.... And screw off with the "this post is so old XD" spam.

      Guns are called the great equalizer for a reason, and just because a disabled has an archaic rifle he only fired once, or a state of the art, yet crudely made anti-tank weapon does not mean a veteran of 5 years hard fighting can just write him off.

      Volksstrum and Soviet conscripts were used to great effect, they suffered massive losses, but they are not meant to be used as front line troops. their speed is limited for this reason, and they cannot go head to head with regular infantry in battle. The Russians bogged down the German Invasion with militia, counter attacking, something not represented in this game.

      The term "elite militia" is just used to describe the fact it comes from crates, and to say there was not different levels of militia is a complete joke. In the battle of Berlin you had volksstrum factory workers, 'old' men who fought in wwi, certainty not a unit to play around with
      I don't see anyone disagreeing, and why would you bring up such an old post that you don't support?
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