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A tram system? Describe that in more detail. From what I’ve seen, they are more like underfunded bus systems than anything. The big cities in Russia? Like Chelyabinsk and Omsk? I mean, you should see those cities in winter. They are known for having that muddy snow effect, where the local government fails to clear snow from important areas or salt the roads and such, ending in very depressing environments. Infrastructure itself is not as effective as Moscow, with far fewer and less effective metro lines in the city of for example, Chelyabinsk.

There were plans to add more, but it was too underfunded and ended up being cancelled.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_Metro

Same thing in Omsk.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omsk_Metro


About Grozny…


en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grozny…0rebuilt%20from%20scratch.

“On 5 November 1932, the Grozny tram system was opened to the public, and by 1990 it was 85-kilometer (53 mi) long, with 107 new Russian-built KTM-5 trams that it received in the late 1980s, and two depots. The Grozny trolleybus system began operation on 31 December 1975, and by 1990 was approximately 60-kilometer (37 mi) long, with 58 buses and one depot. Both types of transport came under difficult pressure in the early 1990s, with frequent theft of equipment, staff not being properly paid and resultant strikes. A major planned trolleybus route extension to the airport was cancelled. With the outbreak of the First Chechen War both transport services stopped operation in November 1994. During the destructive battles, the tram tracks were blocked or damaged, and cars and buses were turned into barricades. The trolleybus system was luckier, as most of its equipment, including the depot, survived the war. In 1996 it was visited by specialists from the Vologda Trolleybus Company, who repaired some of the lines, with services planned to restart in 1997. However, after specialists left, most of the equipment was stolen. The surviving buses were transported to Volzhsky where they were repaired and used on the new trolleybus system there.
After the Second Chechen War, little of the infrastructure of either system was left. The Ministry of Transport of the Chechen Republic, created in 2002, decided not to rebuild the tram system (considered too expensive and no longer meeting the city's needs, as it had by then lost half of its population). Rebuilding of the trolleybus system, however, is still under consideration.”

Not very good transportation, at least. While the city looks nice, the population is still smaller before Russia bombed it to the ground… do you know if the old inhabitants still live there? What I mean is, was it gentrified? Or were old inhabitants kicked out or something? Hopefully it’s not a situation like the capital of Turkmenistan’s capital…

“Railway connection was restored in 2005, and Grozny's airport was reopened in 2007 with three weekly flights to Moscow. In 2009 the IAC gave Grozny's Severny airport the international certificate after checking and evaluating the airport's airworthiness. On 16 November 2009, the airport had its first international flight, taking pilgrims on Hajj to Saudi Arabia via a Boeing 747.^[52]
After four years of construction, the Akhmad Kadyrov Mosque was formally opened to the public on 16 October 2008, and is one of the largest mosques in Europe.^[50] In 2009, the city of Grozny was honoured by the UN Human Settlements Program for transforming the war-scarred city and providing new homes for thousands.”

Judging by this, it seems to be the case. I believe that railway is mainly industrial transport from what I’ve read. While the city was not fully rebuilt, it definitely looks better than at first. One suspicious thing is all the allegations of human rights violations by Kadyrov, but considering who he is that is a separate matter entirely. Still, it seems to have been underfunded lately with the cancellation of those projects…

Another positive example is Novosibirsk, third largest city in Russia. While behind standards or Western European countries, it still has a decent quality tram, rail and taxi system.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novosibirsk


A more negative example is Krasnoyarsk…

“An underground system (three lines) has been in planning and construction phases in Krasnoyarsk for decades. Subway construction was terminated in 2008.“

“The transit system is dominated by buses, but there also are several trolleybus and tram routes.“

“Krasnoyarsk lies on the Yenisei River and historically has been an important junction on the Trans-Siberian Railway. Krasnoyarsk-Passazhirsky (Russian: Красноярск-Пассажирский, lit. Krasnoyarsk-Passenger) is the main railway station of Krasnoyarsk. Long-range trains of the Trans-Siberian Railway stop at this station. There are some stations served by Elektrichka and there is Krasnoyarsk-East goods station 26.3 km east of Krasnoyarsk-Passazhirsky.“

Underfunding seems to have ruined metro in many Russian cities… trams exist, but do not take up much of that capacity. Buses do exist, but I’ve heard some bad things about them… As for rail, being a center of the Trans-Siberian railway allows access to longer distance transport and goods, but isn’t gonna cover day to day transportation across the city.

About those busses..

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_in_Russia

“Road safety in Russia is poor, with a road accident rate higher than in Europe or the United States.^[13] In 2011, Russia was 4th by number of absolute recorded road deaths.^[14] Increasingly harsher penalties for traffic violations were imposed after 2008, but the level of corruption among traffic law enforcement authorities limits their effectiveness in reducing the number of accidents.^[15] Dashcams are widespread, inasmuch as Russian courts prefer video evidence to eyewitness testimony, but also as a guard against police corruption and insurance fraud.^[16“

Higher than America? How?! The roads of this place are filled with madmen!

Off topic, but it’s kinda ironic how this came out a few hours ago…

“The state of Russia's road system ranks 136th out of 144 countries evaluated. Rustam Minnikhanov, the president of Tatarstan and head of the State Council working group on roads, told the Novosibirsk meeting that 53 percent of federal highways and 63 percent of regional ones are substandard and that the situation is growing worse: Every year, the number of cars in Russia rises by six percent, but the highway system expands only 2200 kilometers. The Kremlin leader blamed this on corruption, the lack of oversight, and the failure to update standards set 30 years ago.^[11] According to the Russian Federal State Statistics Service the road network expanded by 504,000 kilometers between 2003 and 2015, though this is largely due to the registration of previously ownerless roads.^[12“

Overall, the road system doesn’t seem to be doing well. 136th places it behind way to many countries…

Still, everyone knows that Russia has its strengths in its railways.

“Russia has the world's third-largest railwaynetwork, behind only the United States and China,^[2] with a total track length of 85,600 kilometres (53,200 mi) as of 2019.^[3] It uses a broad rail gauge of 1,520 mm(4 ft 11+27⁄32 in). Electrified track accounts for around half of the Russian railway network — totalling 43,800 kilometres (27,200 mi)^[3] — but carries the majority of railway traffic.^[4]

Russian Railways, the state-owned national rail carrier, is one of the world's largest transport companies, enjoying a monopolyover rail transport in Russia. Established in 1992, it employs an estimated 950,000 people, and accounted for 2.5% of the entire national GDP in 2009.^[5][6] In 2007 alone, Russian Railways carried a total of 1.3 billion passengers^[7] and 1.3 billion tons of freight^[8]on its common-carrier routes.“

At first it sounds impressive, but behind the US? America doesn’t even have real rail transport . What railways??

Why, industrial railways that carry goods, of course! In this case, Russia has great quality in that regard. Russia also uses its trains for trans-national transportation. The Siberian railway is great for going city to city across the country. Still, freight is far, far more important in this case.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_transport_in_Russia

“Like most railways, rail transport in Russia carries both freight and passengers. It is one of the most freight-dominant railways in the world, behind only Canada, the United States, and Estonia in the ratio of freight ton-kilometers to passenger-kilometers. However, per head of population intercity passenger travel is far greater than the United States (which has the lowest long-distance passenger train usages in the developed world).“

This makes some sense. The U.S. and Canada are well known for their hatred of all public transportation. As for Estonia, it’s Estonia. Still, it seems that most of this extensive railway infrastructure gets used for freight and stuff unrelated to public transportation. The distinction should be made that while this massive network has much people transport, it’s mostly goods transport.

“The SA3 coupler^[16] (Soviet Automatic coupler, model 3) used in Russia has several advantages over the Janney coupler used in the United States.^[17]

The SA3 coupler, while well-designed, has had problems with operating due to being made with lower quality steel, having a low quality of maintenance/repairs/rebuilding, and coupling cars at speeds higher than allowed by the rules.^[18]”

Very interesting. But considering that it’s probably smarter to compare Europe/East Asia to Russia in this case, I’m not sure how important this is. It seems like the case of the AK-47 where the thing is cheaper and somewhat less reliable, but still decent quality and great to run across a massive area.


Overall assessment seems to show that many cities are underfunded, with most of cancelled projects. Where did that money go to? Who knows. The Russian road network is of very low quality however, rated among the worst on the planet, 136/144. I ran into way too many cases of potholes and crashes in experience as well. Still, Russian rail network is rather excellent, though it seems to be slower and less advanced than in Europe and East Asia. Still, apparently there are less delays. Long distance travel seems to be the greatest strength, with things being mostly smooth in that regard. However shorter distance tram and rail travel seems to be on a smaller scale and a bit more difficult than in other countries. Many cities have vast arrays of cases of cancelled projects meant to improve the transportation system, and considering that Russia has rather vast financial reserves and a grand supply of resources, (at least before the war) the reasoning is not too strong here. Corruption and wealth inequality seem to be the biggest issues here… the well educated, hardworking, and resource rich Russian people honestly should doing better than this, as they have all the definite capabilities to catch up to the rest of the developed world. The question of is this all “good enough” obviously depends from city to city and experiences, but from what I’ve seen from most of these sources and Russians I have watched or spoken to, it’s all less advanced than its competitors, underfunded, and apart from railways (which are mostly adequate) could be waaay better.

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